Unlike J. Klever. Your opinion?

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Сообщение от redbor

  I like this picture is smaller than other kleverskih,
but talking about authorship I lack the competence ..

You do not need any expertise (enough sanity), in order to understand that the Russian academician can not write well! This is bullshit!

[uriart]

redbor, and Dyukammen and Luazett is the name Artel artists copyist who worked in Moscow (the first) and in Odessa. But does not the name of the artist!

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heir, such "experts" need their expertise to .....
Other methods are powerless.

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Сообщение от uriart

heir, such "experts" need their expertise to .....
Other methods are powerless.

uriart, you - dear Validating, but I apologize, the last thing - to raise its value at the expense of diminishing the significance of another. Even if you have this and its reasons.
I ask once again apologize for this remark.
  I would not mention if the remark was not addressed to me and said for redbor, which I too am among connoisseurs.

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Do not need either a competency (enough common sense) to understand that the Russian academician can not write well!

Tjutchev, I ask you to remember what you wrote, say, in kindergarten or first grade. And do you think then that will be free to publish in the 'Net?
Akademik - not always an academician, he usually starts with a "small family dauber.
A competence begins ... to doubt their competence.

Сообщение от uriart

redbor, and Dyukammen and Luazett is the name Artel artists copyist who worked in Moscow (the first) and in Odessa. But does not the name of the artist!

uriart, but I asked you to tell you about these cooperatives. You remained silent.
Responded redbor. Work with this signature.
And now it tough for swinging - and for what? What is not so good history of artisanal knows?
is not simply whether it was near his post and put all of it would be clear who was wrong?

Redbor I am grateful for the fact that he his - albeit, in your opinion, incompetent response - let me find a new twist on the theme of authorship Stepanova.
Agree that the action still more important than silence in such cases. At least - for me.

Gentlemen
Please do not blame me if these passages seem to you some kind of mentor. I just wanted to be more or less objectively as a third party.
In his experience staying at this forum see the undeniable and unique value is in the unification of the efforts of such diverse
  people and want to hopes that sometimes carelessly spoken words do not become an instrument of their destruction.

  redbor, uriart was glad to hear your opinions and estimates of Stepanov in the light of authorship Dyukammena in the topic "Stepanov.
And once again forgive me if I wrongly understood.

[redbor]

Сообщение от heir

uriart, but I asked you to tell you about these cooperatives. You remained silent.
Responded redbor. Work with this signature.
And now it tough for swinging - and for what? What is not so good history of artisanal knows?

heir; you just gunman some rasisali! Who in the teeth for what? Just have an opinion on the signature Dyukommon.
The fact that he was ringing but did not know where he is. As I understand it uriart, I heard (guess from whom) this view Dyukommone, as artel signatures and trusted him, repeated here.
  I also think that this is quite a decent seascapes, not Aivazovsky, but also at Sotheby's sold,
and recently - that's Sovkome sold his work. And all this talk about the association and the collective signature - these were the machinations of envious.
I think that uriart, by its credulity believed them, and repeated. I can show well-known work, signed Dyukommon.

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redbor, could you move a slideshow of these works in the theme "Stepanov"?
For comparison works.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Do not need either a competency (enough common sense) to understand that the Russian academician can not write well! This is bullshit !!!

Сообщение от uriart

.. heir, such "experts" need their expertise to ..... Other methods are powerless.

  So we are not here do not have the competence to determine the author's picture and name experts fuflyzhnikami?
  ... Everything still looks a little strange when people
marked conditional nicknames,
and even does not insist on their knowledge and competence, is accused of forgery and called fuflyzhnikami experts, signed an act of gos.uchrezhdeniya, and not pseudonyms and their real names and functions?.
  It place of work and positions of these experts assume all the same, though some,
but competence.?
Moreover, in the act they are given and arguments in favor of authorship. (Khim. analysis)
Unlike their opponents, who were not raised or less comprehensible arguments against.
  Note of the interest, I report: a call today, talked to AP and TA
  They are ready to listen to all doubts and to 11 the number to answer all questions on this act .
  If anyone has any questions to the experts - write in lichku. I'm going to ask them.
Maybe their answers would clarify ..

[uriart]

redbor, the story that Dyukammen a gang, and not an artist, I have heard in Moscow in the 80's. From one old lady who has bought a portrait miniature.
And for Luyzett also from her. Even when it was bought pastel landscape with this signature. Already in the 90's. Unfortunately in the literature on this is nothing.
And auctions vystalyalis work with this signature, it is a fact, not once.
No, I did not clicked on the teeth. Just corrected the spelling and no more.

[redbor]

So I say, walk the talk. No confirmations.
If Kukryniksy is Kupriyanov, Krylov, Sokolov, and each has its own work.
  That Dyukommon, he is Dyukommon, and while
no evidence of its collectivity,
but from nowhere seized opinion, I am inclined to believe
what is the name of the artist, the exact details of which have not survived.
And these artists, there are many.

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In Albion Gallery is one pyzazh. Write so: Ducommun, Jeanne /DUCOMMUN, Jann. Swiss School.

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One artsayte, where they were shown two marina Ducommun, I read the echoes of this version ...