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I note only that if they associate with the art of war, then the difference between "beautiful" and "graphic" mirootnosheny better shade comparison with strategies for the use of mines and tanks than swords and rapiers. How this difference is important for the commander in practice, probably depends upon the commander. Added to the end of the previous post is another excerpt from Florenski complementary study of the active and passive dialectics began to design and composition. For readers, Kojima too busy to delve into the details, bring a sample of this piece: Цитата:
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05.03.2011, 15:24 | Язык оригинала: Русский #112 |
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In the famous book by N. Tretyakov, "The Image in Art" has some interesting links to the VA Tabor "... the letter" H "represents two vertical columns of the crossbar, expressing the interaction of different visible velichin.Po his opinion This track already. " And another link to the NN Volkova "... the songs are embodied two principles, logo and melosa.Melos-plastic top, logo, meaning it slovo.Chto is the art of leading start? The author replied: Of course the logo, to melos second place and has a secondary importance ... If we assume that the beginning is the leading melody, the basis of art is an abstract game of plastic forms, as very often, and engaged in contemporary art. "
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06.03.2011, 23:32 | Язык оригинала: Русский #113 |
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I feel that I must provide justification for their recent messages, which fall out of forum format in terms of material and seem to be unreasonable extension of the topic.
Florensky beguiled. "This is a cool pop possessed a rare mix of strengths - a deep philosopher, mathematician, artistically gifted by nature, a connoisseur of art, fine mystic - which allowed him to develop a multidimensional understanding of art, far ahead of his (and our) time . He outlined a system of coordinates (wider - a method for constructing coordinate systems) that can be placed any possible lines of development of the arts - both past and future. Including abstract art that has directly relates to our topic. Alas, the brilliant requires Congeniality. Work on the art of Georgia Florenski reader to complete: they are often concise, some ideas are just a hint, are involved in mathematical abstractions (differential equations, analytic geometry, complex function theory, etc.), and most importantly - they require the reader to independent thought. It is in the grafting of a culture of thinking, not willing to conclusions and plan for their core value (or lack of basic))). Many of the ideas in Florenski disclosed in the context of the whole, hence the need to clarify some of the applicable paragraphs lead to abstract multi-quote. And even such large-scale citation is still vivisection: those who are interested in Florensky, worth reading his whole line art sketches. In the hope that my apology accepted - all the same today Forgiveness Sunday)), put two announced a passage leading up conflict-track design to the extreme. The first one is interesting - it will be surprising to many - Suprematists allocation to the direction of naturalistic painting. (From the point of view. St. Paul, each of naturalism, whether it be slavery to nature, "the truth" or the desire to adopt any predzadannuyu idea - the worst sin for an artist). It also marked with art for art's sake, who during Florenski looked only an abstract possibility but who succumbed to the art in the coming decades.
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The second passage in the book should be directly behind the first and is dedicated to the historical vicissitudes of the ornament. From this text, it is clear that the lines of Kandinsky and Mondrian in abstractionism actually are attempts to bring an ornament - on a new basis - a mysterious force and metaphysical significance.
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Yes, it is probably worthwhile to explain that the space in Florenski generally refers to the maximum - not only physical, but also as a psychological and a metaphysical and as a cultural space ... I would also like to draw attention to the fact that Florenski parallels between music and visual art are caused not by external analogies, and genetic relatedness: all art stems from the same root and are occupied by one and the same - the transformation of the space the action of their force fields. That's the way, the maxim "beauty - it is a terrible force" is not a metaphor. Adoption of the NN Volkova, which results in Peter, that painting, based on the melos is always just "an abstract game of plastic forms" - in the sense of internal empty classes, although justified statistically, but in fact based on the surface opposing melodies and logo. But between one and the other is the deepest connection, it is well disclosed in AF Losev: "Music is strained to the word, to the Logos." Of course, when this great music. The very idea of the ancient melody expresses its deepest synthesis of music and words, leading to higher substantiality, the foundation of human existence - whether Christian or pagan Chaos logo. Florenski approach does not exclude the possibility of a "game of plastic forms" to convey something that is not only exciting soul, but also significant for the spirit. Another question is how often this happens in contemporary art: how much do we know Beethoven and Mozart's "abstract" painting. ) Последний раз редактировалось Art-lover; 07.03.2011 в 13:02. Причина: add |
07.03.2011, 18:21 | Язык оригинала: Русский #114 |
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Leaving aside the intricacies of thought. Paul Florenski, the mere mention of his name in the subject of abstractionism is very significant. We can say that Florensky, philosopher, more than any other of his associates engaged issues of art, a spokesman for the aesthetic pursuit of Russian Spiritual Renaissance of the early 20 th century. These searches over time (the 10th years. The last century) miraculously coincided with the opening of representatives of Russian avant-garde and its most radical offshoots - abstract art.
I think a comparison of the Russian spiritual renaissance and the Russian avant-garde art can provide answers to many questions. Despite the seeming antagonism between attitudes and God-seeking, and avant-garde sought to open new research perspectives. And a closer look, the contradictions between them are not so insurmountable. And they both tried to pave the way to the "hyperreal", which lies beyond the visible world of forms. Watershed, rather, is in the field of aesthetic and wider - ideological ideal. It is appropriate to recall Florensky developed the concept of reverse perspective in the iconography. Reverse perspective on Florensky - nothing more than an attempt to "obespredmechivaniya" Art. And if this obespredmechivanii Florensky theocentric method uses a global mystic symbolization (sophiology), the abstract - the occult and anthropocentric method associated with "cosmic energy" and mediumistic properties of the artist as a conduit to other worlds. Recall also the desire of both approaches mathematically verified correctness, the geometry in an amazing way linking with mystical revelation, such as the "Black Square" by Malevich. And Florenski and abstract world of objects - only a mask hiding the true reality, and only the discovery of this reality is the foundation of a true act of creation in all its purity and nezamutnennogo. Figuratively speaking, a true act of art is something like a Cheshire cat smile. M. Epstein, in his usual flamboyant even dared to compare the abstract ideal of strict execution of the commandment "Do not make yourself an idol" than automatically ranked abstract artist as a saint. According to the Florensky holy elders should be considered as the main subjects of the perception of art. This not the mysteries of abstract painting?
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08.03.2011, 22:07 | Язык оригинала: Русский #115 |
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Now it's a mailing list, but time and effort to translate no, sorry.
As a psychologist and the group of monkeys, children and Elephants proved that abstract art requires talent.
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Nevertheless, I welcome "madness of the brave" - will try to continue to closely monitor whimsical twist "abstraktomudriya" |
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09.03.2011, 09:29 | Язык оригинала: Русский #117 |
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Not the word ... I still dream that just about will have enough time to sit down and read everything from cover to ... in short, just to read and delve. Honestly, looking forward to this moment with pleasure and even delight that "the train is coming. Know: is that read this summer
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09.03.2011, 15:26 | Язык оригинала: Русский #118 | |||
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From the preface to the book Atanas stand. "The criticism of abstract art and his theories." , 1964 Statistical base for researchers from Boston in the experiments with elephants and so on. was only a few dozen students, and those of their counterparts in Moscow - the Soviet people. In addition, our elephant - the largest in the world. Can there be a doubt, whose scientific conclusions accurate? Последний раз редактировалось Art-lover; 09.03.2011 в 16:52. |
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09.03.2011, 16:59 | Язык оригинала: Русский #119 |
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Abstract painting - it's a matter of faith.
Some believe that the abstract can be art, while others (myself among them) do not believe in it. In art, the main thing - the transfiguration of the world, rather than creating it is not clear why. |
09.03.2011, 18:39 | Язык оригинала: Русский #120 |
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Dear Igor Sasha. I, too little to understand in the abstract, and honestly have never seen, except with the screen, but to deny it, the same as rejecting all that has neither reason nor the consequences, but this is the most interesting, mysterious, there remembered for some reason the line Mandelstam, can not quite similar, but close to our conversation. (All the works of world literature, I'm sharing the resolution and written
without permission. First - this is filth, second - stolen air. Writers who write the pre-authorized by the things I want to spit in the face, I want to beat them stick to the head and put all the table in the House of Herzen, before placing Every cup of tea and a policeman giving everyone in the hands of a urine sample Gornfelda. These writers, I would forbid to marry and have kids. How can they have children) Once, while walking one strange city, I was looking for something different. Long sought, took a long walk, and suddenly flashed something, I looked at this subject, it was a piece of tin that covered the roofs of houses, and for some reason this time I remember, some slight excitement gripped me, then gone. Then I learned that what I'm looking for, or who I am looking for a tinsmith. |
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