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16.08.2011, 03:23 | Язык оригинала: Русский #51 |
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I do not know whether this article has or not, but it caught me just now. Tairov: Russian art market threaten fake papers Goncharova Vice-President of the Russian Guild of Appraisers and the gallery director, "Belvedere" Oleg Tairov said in an interview with RIA Novosti, who was behind a series of corruption scandals involving fake works of the most expensive Russian artists, including Natalia Goncharova, the difference between Western and Soviet expert on why the opinion of Russian experts not included in the authentication of paintings in the West. Interviewed by Mary Ganiyants. - has recently come to a lot of fuss about the works of Russian artists. For example, the story of the New York ABA Gallery Anatolia Bekkerman. He is accused of selling people's deputy of Ukraine Alexander Savchuk 18 paintings at prices above the market (of a total of about 9.6 million dollars), and that four of them (including the work of Shishkin and other Russian artists with expert opinions Russian museum workers ) are fake. - I can comment on the matter of price: the works of art at all times, prices were negotiable. If the buyer and the seller set the price, then all further claims have no meaning. Complaints about the authenticity of works arise from time to time, and in all such cases require a thorough evaluation by independent experts. - Well, here is the story of Natalia Goncharova's work: released catalogs "Natalia Goncharova" Anthony Parton (Anthony Parton Goncharova: The Artand Designof Natalia Goncharova) and "Natalia Goncharova: her art between tradition and modernity," Denise Bazetu (Denise Bazetoux Natalia Gontcharova: son oeuvre entre tradition et modernité), in which most of the work, according to Russian experts - a fake. For example, talking about it in the Tretyakov Gallery. What is behind this story? - Firstly, this story for almost a decade. For example, unknown to her husband's work Goncharova, Mikhail Larionov were represented at the exhibition organized by Alexander Nakov in 1987 in Frankfurt. Part of the work have raised doubts among experts, and after a lengthy trial of the crayons were found to be false. Another scandal - is the closing exhibition of Alexandra Exter in 2009, "Alexandra Exter and her Russian friends" in the city tour, organized by Jean Shovlenom. Then, at the initiative of Nakova about 200 Exter were arrested in March for three days before the exhibition closed. Reason - doubts about the authenticity of the works and property claims. Judgments are not available. Against this background, some 10 years ago in Europe there were forgeries of paintings by Goncharova, confirmed the authenticity of which Anthony Parton, Denise and Jean Bazetu Shovlen. They were one of those who organized the expertise of Russian art in Europe - an international house of the Russian modernism (International Chamber of Russian Modernism (InCoRM)). The result of their activities have become the very book catalogs devoted Goncharova, where many work - candid fakes. Letters InCoRM of TG with the findings of Russian experts, had no effect: they meet formal replies, the meaning of which boiled down to the fact that Russian experts will them no authority. - This is a question of trust the opinion of our experts? - The fact that the technological expertise to carry out for most of her works is impossible, since Goncharova left Russia in 1914 and finally settled in France in 1918, died in 1962. If the picture were written 10-20 years after her death, then, the chemical spectral analysis is useless. But in the early works of the 1910s and 20s, which are the most valuable, such examination is possible. But much more efficient to conduct a comparative analysis on the example of similar works of which are kept in the Tretyakov Gallery (in 2000 most of the work of the Paris period were exhibited at the personal exhibition of Goncharova and Larionov in TG and transferred to the heirs of property in the gallery). However, the authors refuse to provide picture books for examination in the territory of the Russian Federation. - How is it that Russian experts are not considered in such matters? - We can little affect on Western expertise. The only thing you can do is to speak at the annual meeting of the CINOA, the organization uniting the international association of antique and art dealers. The meeting was held in June in St. Petersburg, and it was stated the position of Russian experts, and it was noted that the introduction into circulation of the art market housing counterfeit works of Natalia Goncharova, as one of the most expensive Russian artists (at auction Christie `s" Impressionist and Modern Art "in 2010, her painting" Spanish Flu "in 1916 sold for 6.4 million pounds), will cause great harm to the Russian art market. - How is the examination of the West? - Western expertise is based on the provenance (history), and much less attention to technological expertise. The main body of experts in Europe - private, many of whom are employees of major museums (eg, some of the best experts on the old masters are working in a Dutch Rijksmuseum). They also tend to make up the catalogs Raisonné, which are the determining factor for the subsequent examinations. Almost all of them hedge their conclusions from errors: as expertise is expensive (the price can reach 5%of the market price), in the case of an error, the expert (or insurance company) return that amount to the client. It is worth noting that such cases are rare. There are companies who organize technological expertise, chemistry, X-rays, conducting its own, or negotiating with various research laboratories or institutes. For this painting works well if the spectral analysis shows the work of the Renaissance Naples yellow paint pigments (which was invented in 1762), or on the canvas of the XIX century discovered titanium white pigment (which appeared first in 1912), the need for further investigations disappears. And finally, in the west are active funds of an artist (as a rule-based heirs), whose task is to track the provenance of work, look for evidence of its creation. But, if you fund said that the real thing, then so be it, no matter what other experts. - What is the situation radically different from Russia? - In Russia, there is a big problem with the provenance due to objective historical reasons (wars and revolutions), - sometimes the thing disappeared from view for many decades. This can be in England, up to a month to determine from whom to whom Gainsborough painting passed as bills of sale, inventory of property and inheritance in most cases, in complete safety. The examiner should only raise the documents. In Russia, this will not work. Therefore, we have the least pay attention to the provenance, and a lot more to art history and technology (quality canvas, smear, soil) examination without regard to where the thing went and visited. Today in Russia there are about two dozen recognized experts, and all they ever worked before, or still continue to work in museums and have vast experience of direct daily contact with the paintings of an artist (in the case of painting). And this tradition of Soviet times, when museum workers, who for 40 years, studied the works of a given period, without any technological expertise, through a comparative analysis could attribute the work. Sometimes it is enough simply to put a picture under ultraviolet light, to shades of stain, to understand, whose work it. But it requires a tremendous experience. Old collector bring the thing in which all the papers in order, and he may refuse to work with it exclusively at the level of intuition. - How much does a decent examination? - Now an ordinary examination is worth about 1500 dollars, and the complex, as well as in the West - up to 5%. - Back to Natalia Goncharova. With this in mind we are already seeing almost fake Goncharov in the markets? - I think that after the report of the session CINOA (and in that organization includes more than 7000 galleries and dealers) to expert conclusions InCoRM will be treated with caution. Although the ride is not as Goncharov collect not only in Russia but also in the U.S. and Japan. - This story can affect the position of the experts of the Russian school in the world? - I do not think so as the leading auction will still consult with our museum, and some have lured them to a permanent job. |
16.08.2011, 03:25 | Язык оригинала: Русский #52 |
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I do not know whether this article has or not, but it caught me just now.
Tairov: Russian art market threaten fake papers Goncharova Vice-President of the Russian Guild of Appraisers and the gallery director, "Belvedere" Oleg Tairov said in an interview with RIA Novosti, who was behind a series of corruption scandals involving fake works of the most expensive Russian artists, including Natalia Goncharova, the difference between Western and Soviet expert on why the opinion of Russian experts not included in the authentication of paintings in the West. Interviewed by Mary Ganiyants. - has recently come to a lot of fuss about the works of Russian artists. For example, the story of the New York ABA Gallery Anatolia Bekkerman. He is accused of selling people's deputy of Ukraine Alexander Savchuk 18 paintings at prices above the market (of a total of about 9.6 million dollars), and that four of them (including the work of Shishkin and other Russian artists with expert opinions Russian museum workers ) are fake. - I can comment on the matter of price: the works of art at all times, prices were negotiable. If the buyer and the seller set the price, then all further claims have no meaning. Complaints about the authenticity of works arise from time to time, and in all such cases require a thorough evaluation by independent experts. - Well, here is the story of Natalia Goncharova's work: released catalogs "Natalia Goncharova" Anthony Parton (Anthony Parton Goncharova: The Artand Designof Natalia Goncharova) and "Natalia Goncharova: her art between tradition and modernity," Denise Bazetu (Denise Bazetoux Natalia Gontcharova: son oeuvre entre tradition et modernité), in which most of the work, according to Russian experts - a fake. For example, talking about it in the Tretyakov Gallery. What is behind this story?
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------ In the CHA curse encyclopedia fakes Elena Arbuzov English art critic wants to destroy the Russian antiques market hands Rossvyazokhrankultura Oleg Tairov, host gallery "Belvedere" - an art dealer with twenty years' standing. He was behind the Russian Antique Salon, and knew of him these details, which we have not even guess. However, according to Oleg, such facts should not be silenced. Especially in light of recent events. This gives a 20%return per year
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24.08.2011, 19:29 | Язык оригинала: Русский #54 |
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Practical application of monographs and Bazetu Parton
The theory of theory and practice practice.
That is the practical application of monographs and Bazetu Parton can be found here: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...postcount=1009 |
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05.09.2011, 20:41 | Язык оригинала: Русский #55 |
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Since my dear administration released from the fun, try to answer everything at once.
If someone is interested in the blunders of our experts in publications - please contact LP I will answer all questions. As for the essence of the topic, for me, as, indeed, for many others , statements such as " have not seen ( or seen a photograph ), in the hands not holding , but I think it's fake ..." only offend the Russian art history. Believe me, I 'm not trying to justify the publication of French authors , I 'm trying to understand : " Who are the judges ? ", And on what basis the judge. And the wish that the Russian art history came out to the international court , which threatened to participants memorable press conference with dignity. Otherwise - all purely subjective opinions of "experts" that few people are interested. But apparently not come to court , and all remain at the level of "I ... well ... me and my ... and I 'll give everyone on the forehead ." What is very sad ... |
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05.09.2011, 20:52 | Язык оригинала: Русский #56 |
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Alas, the full council can not be civilized is technically ...
therefore, further stages of the scandal thing, in my opinion, not move forward. |
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09.09.2011, 13:30 | Язык оригинала: Русский #58 |
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Fatal Goncharov: great discovery or redistribution of Market
Fatal Goncharov: great discovery or redistribution of the market
MOSCOW, September 7th - RIA Novosti, Maria Ganiyants. Catalogues of French experts and Denise Anthony Parton Bazetu of Natalia Goncharova, in which a number of works, namely a few hundred, have raised serious doubts about their authenticity, have led to unintended consequences: the Russian museum, gallery owners and collectors, even a united front, demonstrating the willingness of the private community - antique - to play in the open, if required by the market. The chronology of the history is simple: first in the West produce catalogs Anthony Parton Goncharova: The Art and Designof Natalia Goncharova and Denise Bazetoux Natalia Gontcharova: sonoeuvre entretradition et modernite. After which representatives of the Tretyakov Gallery, antique dealers and collectors are found in the publications previously unheard of Goncharova - one of the most expensive Russian artists (in 2010, her painting "Spanish Flu" in 1916 was sold for 6.4 million pounds at auction Christie `s). All questions and complaints of Russian specialists, or the French side responds with silence, or simple answers - real work that can not be questioned. Shito-hush It should be understood: the antique open to accusations and trials, it comes in exceptional cases, generally prefer stories with fake hush. Such sensitivity is explained by closeness of the market and participation in it of big business or corporations. Loud trials are possible only when we are talking about organized criminal group, which managed to tie the act, or tampering is detected in a museum, or we are talking about blatant redistribution of the market. According to experts, the ratio of crafts sold in Europe and Russia about the same, but in Europe is easier to conduct research and to establish provenance, whereas in Russia, due to history to find past work harder, but virtually every product supplied expert advice and specialist research laboratory. The percentage of fakes, according to experts, is directly dependent on the availability of directory Raisonné, as well as special funds through which legalized the legacy of the artist.
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11.09.2011, 09:46 | Язык оригинала: Русский #59 | |
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Maroussia, > buy a book has finally Patron and follow the personal use of her forever. This joy is worth 3 000r . |
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But Bazetu described and described the art , as though she went to Ms. Tomilina the shops and vidila as Alexander Klavdievna payments to grocers and butchers graphics Goncharova , and sometimes painting. Yes, some of the forum for this " payment " here alludes . > Added after 38 minutes Цитата:
Marriage is the official Larionov and Goncharova registered only in 1956 and only to the death to become the heirs of each other , let alone in 1962, after the death of Natalia Goncharova , Larionov married Tomilina , which is after the death of the heir to both become Lorionova . And what kind of " dislike of its predecessor ," you say? > At expose themselves in ridiculous . Последний раз редактировалось Кирилл Сызранский; 11.09.2011 в 13:08. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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