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Старый 22.07.2012, 13:40 Язык оригинала: Русский       #41
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In any case, no matter where they came heraldic symbols of the current emblem, rather wildly to live under the arms of the German Kaiser.
After all wars.
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Старый 22.07.2012, 14:00 Язык оригинала: Русский       #42
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If you want to rely on history
Excellent depth studies.

Fed, let me express my reasoning.

In more ancient times was a symbol of divine power over the existent - Caduceus.
He was represented as cop rd (the symbol on the cop leniya) of vitamin th ( the symbol vitamin Ia-time vitamin s) of dark and light snakes.
 The dark snake-feeling - a metaphor for thought. The bright snake feeling - a metaphor statements in silence, out loud.
Spear and snakes sent to the skull-scoop. We scoop of knowledge, there are two outstretched wings - a symbol of the heavenly heights.
Caduceus and a book in the hands of dedicated priest, trampling Python (it was, if you're interested, separately).
Over time, the symbolism in the minds of some forgotten, others - distorted, in the third - was improved. The two hemispheres of the brain were pictured as two birds with the same meaning outstretched wings, and Python have replaced the earth caught rabbits (the symbol of living creatures, winding from the power of thought.)
Then he escaped from the clutches of extraction of the heavenly heights. Ge_orgy (terrestrial Orgy) Victorious saddled white con I (a symbol for the con and white light) and became a spear (accumulated so_znaniem) to kill Python .

I told the chronology of the semantics of images and words, the interaction of Beauty and Logic (see "About our Beauty" and "The Essence of Beauty" in my diary). The life of the main (parent) Mark runs regardless of the life of races, nations, countries. Some rulers know and understand, while others blindly copy, correct or with errors.

I'm sorry if you do not like it.
Now try to insert my images are available.




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Старый 22.07.2012, 14:24 Язык оригинала: Русский       #43
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Now try to put the best of my illustrations.
from the main work.
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Старый 22.07.2012, 15:29 Язык оригинала: Русский       #44
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Now Russia is living under almost the exact character of its principal aggressors , the French and the Germans :

In 1812 , Napoleon declared the national flag of blue-white- red with horizontal stripes , in Fig.

I am sure that 80 %of the population does not see the difference with the existing .

A two-headed emblem of the German Kaisers , - you've seen above.

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Старый 22.07.2012, 16:04 Язык оригинала: Русский       #45
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Now Russia is living under almost the exact character of its chief invaders, the French and the Germans:

Fed, I completely agree with you that for such a Hyperpersonality Russia on third and subsequent progressive Millennium needs its own symbolism.


Can you suggest?



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Старый 24.08.2012, 20:22 Язык оригинала: Русский       #46
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Of course, can be attributed to the Hittites themselves-
Fed, is not possible, and necessary.


Gone is any jungle ...

Recall the
Generic coat Palaeologus.


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Старый 24.08.2012, 22:53 Язык оригинала: Русский       #47
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Ie Do you think that the alleged family mark family , which includes Sophia Palaeologus, and does not even belong to the imperial family since family have long collapsed, and the empire fell apart - a fitting symbol of the new Russia ?

Maybe you would come to the role of Cassandra , but the version with Palaeologus already discarded in a landfill versions.
Without getting rejected , why , just vote priorities: Bride orphan daughter of a wren ousted moreyskogo ( though she considered herself a princess tsaregorodskoy ), which did not want to marry a couple of European princes , and which give the Pope gave (probably with a Catholic intent ).

And her family mark Ivan took over three , married for the second time ?
A coat of arms is not the Habsburgs ?
I quite agree , "Ivan III adopted this symbol to show their equal area with the monarchs of Europe , in particular with the Habsburgs , who ruled the Holy Roman Empire ."

Incidentally , the same coat of arms are now other countries. Ie - "originality" and "positive " - does not hold.



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Ie Do you think that the alleged family mark family , which includes Sophia Palaeologus, and does not even belong to the imperial family since family have long collapsed, and the empire fell apart - a fitting symbol of the new Russia ?
Can you suggest another ?
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Maybe you would come to the role of Cassandra , but the version with Palaeologus already discarded in a landfill versions .
Can rush ?
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Without getting rejected , why , just vote priorities: Bride orphan daughter of a wren moreyskogo ousted ...
Emperors of Byzantium is the " wrens "?

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And her family mark adopted Ivan 3 ,
Yes.
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Старый 25.08.2012, 10:24 Язык оригинала: Русский       #49
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Can you suggest another?
See above.

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Emperors of Byzantium is the "wrens"?
Morey is not the Eastern Roman Empire, as part of the Peloponnese peninsula.
And to be emperor of something - it is necessary to have this empire.
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Yes.
Yes, what? This is some photo-generated fantasy 19. That Moscow is 3 Rome?
And tied to that Sophia, supposedly in her property was a thing, decorated with eagles.
What does the sign of the possible birth of dead alien family can relate to Ivanu3 as he well could not affect his title, and not affected.
If he was interested in the virtual title, in which time they sold for a song more real Palaeologus, Ivan and 3 could buy it, maybe even get a discount on acquaintance with the 2nd wife.

By the way, the controversy over the eagle, in the context of the topic - is meaningless: the eagle later became the emblem of the king, to all sorts of varied ways, and in the reign of the next king was regarded as the national symbol, as the king and was the host state.

If you are satisfied that your host-dead king kind of Holstein-Gottorp, and you still waving its flag and coat of arms, what wonder if its quasi-democracy.

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But, esoteric approach.

The third book of Ezra http://svp.ladimir.kiev.ua/pq/show/l...le-3_ezd11.htm
And her interpretation of the Explanatory Bible http://www.bible.in.ua/underl/Lop/50.html

In short: 1 And I saw a dream, and, behold, rose from the sea eagle, which had twelve feathered wings and three heads.

There were eight small wings, which are interpreted as the rulers, who tried to seize the throne, or conquer a very short time, ie, minor.

5 And I looked, that's an eagle flying on the wings of his reign over the earth and over all the inhabitants of it.
Further accounts of the reign, and most important:
7 And when I beheld, lo, as a lion, ran out of the forest and roaring, and gave up the human voice to the eagle, and said:
38 Listen, I'll talk to you and tell you that the Almighty:
39 Hast thou not from among the remaining four animals, which I have to reign in the world to mine, so that through them was the end of those days?
40 And the fourth one came, conquered all the animals before the former century and held in great awe and the whole universe in lyutom oppression, and the painful oppression subordinates, and so long lived on earth with deceit.
41 You do not judge the earth in righteousness, 42 you also oppressed the meek, loving hurt, loved liars, ravaged homes of those who benefited, and destroyed the walls of those who did not do you any harm.
43 And they came up to God your resentment, and your pride - to hard.
44 And he beheld God at the time of pride, and behold, they ran out, and filled with the measure of her misdeeds.
45 Therefore, you disappear, eagle, with wings thy terrible, with vile feathered thy heads with evil thy, with the cruel claws of thee, and with all your worthless body, 46 to a rest all the land and got rid of your violence , and hoped for the judgment and mercy of his Creator.

But it was:
In 1625, the first king of the first Romanov eagle depicted by three crowns, and then with Alexis appeared 3-headed eagle. The last of the Romanovs-coat again with 3 crowns.

And who "carried" this 3-headed eagle, the main and secondary wings:
• Michael F. (July 11, 1613 - July 13, 1645)
• Patriarch Filaret - Consort June 1, 1619 - October 1, 1633 - "little wing"
• Alexis (July 13, 1645 - January 29, 1676)
• Tsarevich Alexei - Official Consort for the duration of the Sovereign - "small"
• Theodore A. III (January 30, 1676 - April 27, 1682) - "small"
• Ivan V Alekseevich (April 25, 1682 - January 29, 1696) - rules with Tsar Peter 1 - "small"
• Peter I the Great (22 October 1721 - 28 January 1725)
• Catherine I (January 28, 1725 - May 6, 1727)
• Peter II (May 7, 1727 - January 19, 1730) - "small"
• Anna Ivanovna (February 4, 1730 - October 17, 1740)
• Ivan VI (October 17, 1740 - November 25, 1741) - "small"
• Elizabeth (November 25, 1741 - December 25, 1761)
• Peter III (December 25, 1761 - June 28, 1762) - "small"
• Catherine II the Great (June 28, 1762 - November 6, 1796)
• Paul I (November 6, 1796 - March 11, 1801) - "small"
• Alexander I (March 12, 1801 - November 19, 1825)
• Nicholas I (December 12, 1825 - February 18, 1855)
• Alexander II (February 18, 1855 - March 1, 1881)
• Alexander III (1 March 1881 - 20 October 1894)
• Nicholas II (October 20, 1894 - March 2, 1917)

Total - 12 primary and 8 secondary wing 3-headed eagle. And who put an end to it?

Leo.
Lions Shilov (of Rurik) - after the February Revolution, became chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Russian Empire and the Provisional Government (in fact the head of state).

Now again, - an eagle with three crowns, perhaps a symbol of democracy and the people.
Waiting for Leo?




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But, esoteric approach.

The third book of Ezra http://svp.ladimir.kiev.ua/pq/show/l...le-3_ezd11.htm
And her interpretation of the Explanatory Bible http://www.bible.in.ua/underl/Lop/50.html

In short: 1 And I saw a dream, and, behold, rose from the sea eagle, which had twelve feathered wings and three heads.

There were eight small wings, which are interpreted as the rulers, who tried to seize the throne, or conquer a very short time, ie, minor.

5 And I looked, that's an eagle flying on the wings of his reign over the earth and over all the inhabitants of it.
Further accounts of the reign, and most important:
7 And when I beheld, lo, as a lion, ran out of the forest and roaring, and gave up the human voice to the eagle, and said:
38 Listen, I'll talk to you and tell you that the Almighty:
39 Hast thou not from among the remaining four animals, which I have to reign in the world to mine, so that through them was the end of those days?
40 And the fourth one came, conquered all the animals before the former century and held in great awe and the whole universe in lyutom oppression, and the painful oppression subordinates, and so long lived on earth with deceit.
41 You do not judge the earth in righteousness, 42 you also oppressed the meek, loving hurt, loved liars, ravaged homes of those who benefited, and destroyed the walls of those who did not do you any harm.
43 And they came up to God your resentment, and your pride - to hard.
44 And he beheld God at the time of pride, and behold, they ran out, and filled with the measure of her misdeeds.
45 Therefore, you disappear, eagle, with wings thy terrible, with vile feathered thy heads with evil thy, with the cruel claws of thee, and with all your worthless body, 46 to a rest all the land and got rid of your violence , and hoped for the judgment and mercy of his Creator.

But it was:
In 1625, the first king of the first Romanov eagle depicted by three crowns, and then with Alexis appeared 3-headed eagle. The last of the Romanovs-coat again with 3 crowns.

And who "carried" this 3-headed eagle - primary and secondary wings:
• Michael F. (July 11, 1613 - July 13, 1645)
• Patriarch Filaret - Consort June 1, 1619 - October 1, 1633 - "little wing"
• Alexis (July 13, 1645 - January 29, 1676)
• Tsarevich Alexei - Official Consort for the duration of the Sovereign - "small"
• Theodore A. III (January 30, 1676 - April 27, 1682) - "small"
• Ivan V Alekseevich (April 25, 1682 - January 29, 1696) - rules with Tsar Peter 1 - "small"
• Peter I the Great (22 October 1721 - 28 January 1725)
• Catherine I (January 28, 1725 - May 6, 1727)
• Peter II (May 7, 1727 - January 19, 1730) - "small"
• Anna Ivanovna (February 4, 1730 - October 17, 1740)
• Ivan VI (October 17, 1740 - November 25, 1741) - "small"
• Elizabeth (November 25, 1741 - December 25, 1761)
• Peter III (December 25, 1761 - June 28, 1762) - "small"
• Catherine II the Great (June 28, 1762 - November 6, 1796)
• Paul I (November 6, 1796 - March 11, 1801) - "small"
• Alexander I (March 12, 1801 - November 19, 1825)
• Nicholas I (December 12, 1825 - February 18, 1855)
• Alexander II (February 18, 1855 - March 1, 1881)
• Alexander III (1 March 1881 - 20 October 1894)
• Nicholas II (October 20, 1894 - March 2, 1917)

Total - 12 primary and 8 secondary wing 3-headed eagle. And who put an end to it?

Leo.
Lions Shilov (of Rurik) - after the February Revolution, became chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Russian Empire and the Provisional Government (in fact the head of state).

The current coat of arms again - an eagle with three crowns, perhaps a symbol of democracy and the people.
Waiting for Leo?
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