Auction Shapiro on 5 November in New York

[Евгений]

Amina, an interesting comment, thank you very much ..

[qwerty]

Сообщение от Amina

qwerty,
This forum is open to itself Shapiro and was pleasantly surprised at the quality of work and prices. Just do not understand how lots 53, 54 generally may be questioned. These provenance, appraisal so strong, that, if there is no doubt. Or something I do not understand?

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qwerty,
I am certainly no expert, but as a lot under the number 56 can be questioned if he Dr Anthony Parton, is the chief expert on Goncharova and Larionov, provides commentary on this lot, but generally to all other lots Larionov.

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qwerty,
Well, if we assume that Lot 59 is in doubt. when asked why he did not cause any doubts on the Tajan-e in December 2004?

Over 67 lot more could be considered, but even a little bit familiar with the work Burliuk know that he is always repeating his futuristic kompozatsii written earlier. Course should call Shapiro and interest in this lot in detail, as well .. I personally have no doubts.

Lots 53 and 54. This is not the provenance and not the kind of expertise that can be trusted. I am somewhat familiar with the works of these artists, these works do not cause me any confidence. Svetlana Klyunkova wrong quite often, and even released her book, found the wrong job. By Rodchenko-Stepanova, there is only one judge - Lavrentiev, knows all collectors and, accordingly, seek to obtain his certificate, which is not here. Moreover, such large-scale oil paintings, whether they are true would not have sold to Shapiro, and at Sotheby's, Christie's, and their price should be 20 times higher than the claimed estimeyta.
Lot 56. Ask any collector with the experience - it will tell you about a pile of incorrect assessments of Dr. Parton, the latter is considered the ultimate expert on Larionov, Goncharova, just to the west, and the attitude among experienced collectors a little better than that relating to "the chief expert" on the Russian avant-garde in the West Mr. Shavlenu or a great connoisseur of art Exter Ms. Nadia Filatoff.
Lot 59. It is a wholly bogus, they were much taken with the participation of galleries Mr. Zlatovskogo in the mid-nineties (I saw pieces 20 variations), they usually come with expertise Schawlow, it is strange that she was not there.
Lot 67. Here I am not 100%sure. You should not think that Burliuk always repeating his futuristic комозиции, it is not so. I doubt, because the thing is very weak here and the black square of Malevich, and semicircles of Sonia Delaunay, a kind of porridge. Rather, "no" than "yes."

[Amina]

Oyy how interesting it became, that's my understanding that this conversation went and not just thinking aloud.
I was just wondering when the last time Lavrenyov generally anyone give expertise to work. sold at auction? You can call the lot number, etc.? If we are living artists are often abandoned by their own sobstennyh work, what then can be said? And if taakoy to the extent not trust the opinion of the artist's family .... Well I do not know .. I think that the LCR can give your comment on this issue. As the price of work. is the most expensive sold for 500 thousand. so that these works by no means can cost 20 times more expensive than it already, we talk about some millions to speak.
And then, for the same Sotheby's, Christie's Klyunkovoy opinion counts.
As lots of Larionov and opinions Parton, then, is that in general no one but myself can not believe, then why do all these experts with their opinions. It turns out that there is no examination-bad, but if she suddenly there is, too, nothing good.
About Lot 59, I have no opinion itself. And what if it has no expertise Schawlow, it is not so important. You yourself called him "the chief expert.
I lost my temper writing that Burliuk always repeating his work, it is clear that not always. And the fact that "mess" is, so she really had encountered.
That's all my thoughts.
Thank you for maintaining the conversation and your opinion. and then just read not reasoned positions, such as boring.

[Wladzislaw]

If you watch lots of this auction through eBay, then there are some additional pictures: signature turnovers ...

Shapiro auction through eBay

[qwerty]

Сообщение от Amina

I just wonder when the last time Lavrenyov generally anyone give expertise to work. sold at auction? You can call the lot number, etc.? As the price of work. is the most expensive sold for 500 thousand. so that these works by no means can cost 20 times more expensive than it already, we talk about some millions to speak.

Last Lavrent'ev give an opinion on the work of Rodchenko "Juggler", sold at Sotheby's 26.04.2006 (Lot 93). This work in 1935 - she's wonderful, but figurative. Rodchenko, the most valuable "irrelevant", of course, if the market will work, comparable to that which is exhibited in Shapiro, it will cost several million dollars. Since 2006 he works in oil on auctions did not appear, and pointless things had never occurred.

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Сообщение от Amina

for the same Sotheby's, Christie's opinion Klyunkovoy matter.

Only in cases where they need to sell the work.

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Сообщение от Amina

With regard to lots of Larionov and opinions Parton, then, is that in general no one but myself can not believe, then why do all these experts with their opinions. It turns out that there is no examination-bad, but if she suddenly there is, too, no good ..

In the Tretyakov Gallery is working expert E. Ilyukhin, which is an excellent expert on Goncharova and Larionov. Also in the Tretyakov Gallery is the world's largest collection of their works.

[Евгений]

qwerty, Thank you very much, a lot of interesting information.

[fross]

Yesterday artprice came a job offer Nemukhin probability, similar work was at an auction Shapiro day before. Since the results of the auction has not yet been published, I was thinking that it might one and the same job? But carefully Peering realized that they are still different, and why intresno to the one at the auction was not an indicator of investment risk? The author is in fact a member of the Expert Council.
Which is correct?

[Konstantin]

Recently, talked with him. He himself does not go to the Internet, on Tuesday promised to come and see. Then otpishu. It said that in the search visited him almost the same options, with a shift in centimeters or millimeters, especially now. Previously was young, said once on the canvas did, and now long Kruchu on paper or cardboard, and only then can stand on the canvas results. True, said recently began signing specially those same options.

[fross]

Сообщение от qwerty

It is doubtful lots 53, 54, 56, 59, 67.

Despite the warnings of lots 53, 54 and 59 were bought not short of, however, to the lower limit estimate: 67, short of, and the 56-th available

[qwerty]

Not everyone reading this forum, but in vain! By the way, I am now in Paris, and yesterday, being in a local gallery that was quite surprised, quite by chance found out that they are watching our forum.