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Старый 18.04.2013, 21:45 Язык оригинала: Русский       #21
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Without inner freedom, at least you and will draw natyurmortiki at the art studio in the factory house of culture.
As always in his repertoire ...
people without inner freedom to write on images will not be all.
It is strange and wild to hear it from you, right!



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Старый 18.04.2013, 21:46 Язык оригинала: Русский       #22
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And what we have now ?
Now, fortunately , we have the fact that many artists have finally realized - painting can exist without the genre. As a consequence, there are some very interesting artists ( painters and exactly ), and I strongly disagree with Pablo, that

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quality blends in with the number of
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It is not so ! A lot of good and unexpected occurred recently , on the Internet , by the way , is full of examples .

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But even comparing the well-known , such as contemporary artists (judging by sales of works , but who said it? ) And those who have worked 30 years ago - the heavens and the earth .
Pablo, who , for example, of the masters of the distant 1983 you qualify as " heaven "? just curious




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Старый 18.04.2013, 21:53 Язык оригинала: Русский       #23
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IV, I talked about a execution of the work.
Ie
with imagination and abilities of people is no problem, in my opinion.
Of course, you have the right to be who disagree with me!

And what about the "far in 1983," I will not say anything to you, you forgive <! - ~ 1 ~ -> His opinion on this matter I'll probably keep <! - ~ 1 ~ ->



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Старый 18.04.2013, 22:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #24
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IV, I was talking about the quality of execution of the work . Ie with imagination and abilities of people is no problem , in my opinion .
Sorry, a little misunderstood you. With imagination and possibilities there are no problems , and the quality is? For a contradiction is obtained .

Could there be a quality without the fancy and opportunities? If no opportunities it happens , it is only through imagination (in the broadest sense of the word ) , but otherwise , how?

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And what about the " far in 1983 ," I will not say anything to you , you forgive his opinion on this matter I'll probably keep
Take care , of course , your right . So we do not know your protected lands and sacred heavens ... >



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Старый 18.04.2013, 22:07 Язык оригинала: Русский       #25
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And what about the "far in 1983," I will not say anything to you, you forgive <! - ~ 1 ~ -> His opinion on this matter I'll probably keep <! - ~
1 ~ ->

I suspect that you are simply not familiar with the art scene of 1983.
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Старый 18.04.2013, 22:13 Язык оригинала: Русский       #26
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I-V, umm ... that's what I mean : I think you will agree with me that the artist has become a lot more than 30 years ago. And many non-professionals . What does this mean ? Man wanted to apply myself in painting, bought tools and - voila ! Picture is ready ! And she immediately goes to the Internet. I call it freedom of information in this case . Note that people are generally uneducated. This is the first part of the question . The second part of the question is even more interesting . People with education. Get artists of the early 20th century, and the present-day , professional, well-promoted . Obviously, all this is subjective isravnivat impossible, but still ... Who will write as Aivazovsky ? Shevchenko ? Kuindzhi ? In present-day works , IMHO , there is no soul . In 90 %of the work .
Something like this


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Hmm ..... What a suspicious you <! - ~ 1 ~ ->



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I think you will agree with me that the artist has become a lot more than 30 years ago.
As people on the planet Earth, you agree? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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Moreover, many non-professionals. What does this mean? Man wanted to apply myself in painting, bought tools and - voila! Picture is ready! And she immediately goes to the Internet. I call it freedom of information in this case. Note that people tend to no education.
What was there for him, a kind of a layman, a keyboard on your finger to the Web and did not climb over the brush is not enough? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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The second part of the question is even more interesting. People with education. Get artists of the early 20th century, and the present-day, professional, well-promoted. Obviously, all this is subjective and can not be compared, but still ... Who will write as Aivazovsky? Shevchenko? Kuindzhi? In present-day works, IMHO, there is no soul. In 90%of the work.
And it must be so? In the Russian Museum of you, say, a copy of the same Aivazovsky do - you can not tell! Well, if you are the soul, here I say no, say no, and so humbly, backing, turning away to the side. Let say Heaven, I hear they hardly worthy ... <! - ~ 2 ~ ->



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Like the people on planet Earth , you agree?
I think that with absolute certainty that no one can say <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Well it , a kind of a layman , a keyboard on your finger to the Web and did not climb over the brush is not enough?
So why do so radically ? And does anyone mind? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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And so it should be ? In the Russian Museum of you , say, a copy of the same Aivazovsky do - you can not tell ! Well, if you are the soul , here I say no , say no , and so humbly , backing , turning away to the side. Let say Heaven , I hear they hardly worthy ...
About copies could argue , but I will not - not very strong in this regard. But the question is, again ... You have all ernichat - every artist tries to hurt <! - ~ 4 ~ ->
 But seriously - there is no sense in it all the special <! - ~ 1 ~ -> I speak from the point of view of the artist , you are in terms of capital investment ... Different people, different angles of view, so to speak . In general, all different <! - ~ 1 ~ -> ) )



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Старый 19.04.2013, 06:33 Язык оригинала: Русский       #29
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Thanks to everyone who responded, found the topic interesting and gave examples of prints and names of the artists!

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-2006 All year.
Fantozzi, thank you very much for reproduction! (Although they are so woefully small, I would like a bigger <! - ~ 8 ~ ->) But who the author (s) of these works? Particularly interested in the most extreme right (lying woman and a man from the back).

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Modern artists write a genre, but rather for the diversity of the genre.
Artcol, and thank you very much for the listed reproduction. Especially liked the girl in the blue shirt. And the same question: Tell me, please, the authors of these paintings. For me it is very important to know the authors, I do want to find more of their reproductions.

But in general, have accumulated a lot of interesting examples! So, still a glimmer of life in the genre of "art of everyday life." This is good. The only request to all, if not difficult, along with reproductions, prompts, please names of artists.

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Special thanks to IV for such a detailed response. If I may, I would like to continue the conversation.

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I guess you have a point, people in the modern world have become more self-centered and isolated from each other. But I can not accept the fact that we have lost interest in each other and the people around mostly just annoying. We're still good friends, love, help each other, have fun, feel sad, get in fights, etc. - Just like hundreds and even thousands of years ago. All this can not but cause concern. Changed circumstances of life, "scenery", but most of the people internally are the same. The continued interest of people in the old and even ancient subjects of literature, poetry, painting, confirms this. For example, many online enthusiasts collect collections on different subjects. I myself am not a fan of collections and rarely check them, but the fact remains. Genre, narrative painting remains a matter of great interest. Just presented it, basically, is the old masters. What's the point? .. Clearly not in the audience, with their hand on such a request painting, I think, is obvious.

The point, apparently, to the artists themselves ... And here it seems to me, is not so much a social aspect, as some internal stages in the development of art. There is no doubt that modern art is very rich in talent. For example, I think, is very high now reached the level of landscape painting. The urban landscape, in particular. Moreover, contemporary artists have largely harder than their predecessors. Since Of course, every author with artistic ambitions (and ambition - it's good) want to create something new, which allowed him to be recognized among the predecessors and contemporaries. And this understandably becoming increasingly difficult.

But there is something, in my opinion, that was characteristic of the old masters, modern and almost lost. I would call it Research approach to reality, and especially to the people and to life in general. The old master is not just portrayed a person (or a scene with people), he studied it, trying to understand the coverage, "to get into the soul" if you will. Contemporary artists is apparently of little interest. At some point the painting was fascinated by the purely aesthetic side of reality, its artistic processing, and the creation of some of his own aesthetic worlds. Man as such, the drama of life itself ceased to be of interest to her. Roughly speaking, the painting carried away by itself. A kind of narcissism, but I do not mean in a bad way. It was natural, and even useful, and very much to the outstanding was created, of course. It can not be denied.

But in the end, in my opinion, artists almost forgotten how to portray people and almost forgotten how to portray their lives and live scenes (with rare exceptions). Under the "unlearned" I do not mean the technique. Just technology now at the highest level. It is clear that many contemporary artists can copy so ter Borch or Makovsky, not every expert recognizes a copy. Unlearned, I've actually find inspiration in the surrounding life, people see this poetics - something not recognized in this sense for the arts. It is a pity, because without this painting becomes boring ...

Finally, turning so to speak, from the general to the particular, do not agree that it is impossible to portray a banker at a reception at the dentist. In my opinion, a reception at the dentist (as well as from an otolaryngologist, a dermatologist and other specialists) - a very interesting topic for expression in painting. The same applies to the secretary of the computer. I quite frankly refuse to understand why such flowers, trees or fish on the table capable of one hundred millionth time serve as a worthy subject for a picture, and the secretary of the computer - no. It's worse fish? .. In general, for that matter, office life - with its boredom or rush jobs, delays, late, conflicts, flirtations, etc. - Is able to give the artist a lot of interesting subjects and themes for the image. Of course, the life of the office is not as racy looks like steel plant life, but the lives of the majority of people living in it, too, has its own drama, sometimes comedy, and for some people even a tragedy - in short, its unique poetics, it is worthy of an artist's brush . You just need to be able to catch it, you need talent. "And you could play a nocturne on a drainpipe flute?"

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But it's indifference puts an end to the genre in its classical form. Should I grieve because of this?
You are right, indifference - keyword. And grieve definitely worth it. However, I would put a cross in no hurry. I think in the next few years we can expect a new golden age "genre." And heyday really powerful.



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But even comparing the well-known, such as contemporary artists (judging by sales of works, but who said it?) And those who have worked 30 years ago - the heavens and the earth.
Pablo, I do not know what "well-known artists of our time (judging by sales of works, but who said it?)" You say, but 30 years ago, many of them were already considered by recognized masters. Kabakov, Brewers, Bulatov, say, famous for his illustrations, the book giant copies out.

Yankylevsky, Tsalkova, Grobman, the three above-mentioned and many others still alive true connoisseurs of art back in those years set very high. And they are, believe me, is not "on the table" wrote, although, of course, to official exhibitions (where your "sky"?) They were not allowed.

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Who will write as Aivazovsky? Shevchenko? Kuindzhi?
I have to admit, after seeing the name on this list Shevchenko first surprised, and then delighted. Today it occurred to me that you probably did not mean Alexander, and Taras. If so, then of course, everything falls into place)))



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Finally, turning so to speak, from the general to the particular, do not agree that it is impossible to portray a banker at a reception at the dentist. In my opinion, a reception at the dentist (as well as from an otolaryngologist, a dermatologist and other specialists) - a very interesting topic for expression in painting. The same applies to the secretary of the computer. I quite frankly refuse to understand why such flowers, trees or fish on the table capable of one hundred millionth time serve as a worthy subject for a picture, and the secretary of the computer - no. It's worse fish? .. In general, for that matter, office life - with its boredom or rush jobs, delays, late, conflicts, flirtations, etc. - Is able to give the artist a lot of interesting subjects and themes for the image. Of course, the life of the office is not as racy looks like steel plant life, but the lives of the majority of people living in it, too, has its own drama, sometimes comedy, and for some people even a tragedy - in short, its unique poetics, it is worthy of an artist's brush . You just need to be able to catch it, you need talent. "And you could play a nocturne on a drainpipe flute?"

mikhael, thanks for the reply. Now try to explain what I meant by saying that these days it is impossible to portray the secretary of the computer or the banker to the dentist. Let me start by saying that I am not a gift wrote:

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draw, say, a secretary at a computer with solitaire
catch? That is not just the computer, namely with solitaire (well, the one that is in the computer, of course) So talking about the fact that portraying secretary, playing solitaire at work, the artist seems to be inviting us together him laugh so widespread as idleness at work. The viewer (spectator) finds himself gasps, moved by. Apparently such a situation you meant by saying that:

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genre, narrative painting continues to be of great interest. Just presented it, basically, is the old masters. What's the point? .. Clearly not in the audience, with their hand on such a request painting, I think, is obvious.
Of course many people still look longingly at old pictures (like the first), and lament that modern Mazilu trampled true art. But modern artists, if they are true artists, go ahead. Yes, in order to investigate the people now, no need to catch and carry on canvas typical moments of his life, introducing them to the audience in a barefaced manner. Such an approach is, thank God, is in the past.

That is why I again said no coincidence that:

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write at a reception at the dentist, say, in my opinion, is no longer possible.
The fact that a human, as such, a physician can draw. But here banker (so that it became clear to everyone - moneybags!) - No. It is simply not necessary for those who have gone away from the literal interpretation of human nature and its external manifestations.

Genre goes, real artists do not refer to it most likely. And that's fine, since it does not mean that a person has ceased to be of interest to the artist, says only that he no longer interested in the appearance, wearing a recognizable brand character.

Let's look at the paintings of Edward Hopper. See how he is gradually disappearing literary interpretations of the story. Although compared to many others, he she never sinned, but simply make a comparison as part of his work.

Here, for example, the office at night. A beautiful painting. Complete silence, but poses the views of this couple forced to think about her relationship. Huge role the environment plays - interior light. This is a huge plus works. Here we see a gradual approach to what I have, I'm sorry for the rage, wrote:

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Or do we have to learn to love the people in their hidden inner life, turning a blind eye to all external. Find new forms of manifestation of personality. Maybe this will be a dialogue of man with inanimate (but animated the painter) environment, perhaps something else.
At Hopper seems to me we see it. Pass a simple "pereglyadku" he's not interested, he realizes that it ruins everything. Gradually he refused preredachi any, even the slightest emotion. The man sitting in front of a huge window (secretary office?) Just man. We do not need to be told that he is, let's swamped with work in his office and yearn for freedom, portraying him under a pile of papers and a punch in the open at the summer window. Really? It's so narrow the field of our activities in the study of the soul!

Further more. We will just appear empty rooms. Expelled from the interior of even a hint of human presence. But how is all abuzz in these rooms! All it says on the soul a man of deep feelings of some very ancient (and fear, and hopelessness, and at the same time appeasing). All of the hidden life of the soul is fused into one empty room into something tangible. But the appearance of any piece of, say, deep in thought sitting at the window, simply would kill these pictures.

So, do not cry, cry, genre stage passed. All in the past (as in the nationally acclaimed picture)))
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