Dialog Masters and Art Consulting

[Art Consulting]

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qwerty,
(Artkonsalting appeared something just in order to fill the empty place and do you get this money, not to seek the truth. It's not that he likes someone or not, just today there is no technological methods to be credible.)

qwerty,
Thank you for yet another PR campaign in our favor. Like last time, let me comment a little. In our statutes have different activities. But you listed - fill empty seats and sshibaniya money "in him. Otherwise, would long ago have started an investment fund "Art Consulting" (on "sshiblennye"). With regard to confidence and trust, I will not argue with you, I hope that in the near future there will be a scientific conference, which will be available, to understand and assess the viability or viability, of particular techniques. Naturally the presence of education in this area.
Successful to research, sales and discussions.

[Meister]

Art Consulting, you would write under one nickname, but we will soon get confused which one of your organization here sitting and is responsible ...
I have all the questions about the Art Consulting will be lifted at exactly the moment when I get the answer to long since my question: How does the procedure for obtaining money under mistake of the expert, ie, in which case that payment is made kompensantsii? As you yourself write, you are insured by Lloyd at some number of millions of dollars, but the opportunities to get even a small part of the sum insured in my opinion does not exist. At least, none of your staff are not able to answer this question. I know that you are sued repeatedly, but here are the precedents of your loss has not been, and not because of it you were right, but because it all just felt like a challenge which can not be obtained.

[Art Consulting]

Meister,
Honestly, did not want to inflate this post, the more so because he is interesting enough without our presence. I suggest you make a separate, later.

And the questions do not need to shoot, we just do not exist and in order to "knock off money" but for the fact that to assist the community and answer questions
But when you approach us, you must at least for myself to understand what you want: a sledge or go?
In the procedure, it is common to all living in Russia. If you have a claim, it goes to civil court and in court, each side defending its position. Insurance payment is the provision of the insurance company a court order.
At about the precedents they really were. We really won, and our conscience is clear. In the court are going to seek the truth and defend their rights. Our opponents were not there for this and they were fortunate that this is a civil court, not criminal and that we are a private company, not the state bodies.

[Meister]

Appeal to you to understand. But it turns out that you can not answer for your opinion.

Сообщение от Art Consulting

If you have a claim, it goes to civil court and in court, each side defending its position.

Well, let's say you have expertise. I have thought about it and then decided to check again. Drew recognized expert (the museum, the Foundation) on this artist. They bore the opposite view. Question: how to compare them to the court and your opinion, if it is just an opinion? I have to that to obtain insurance in case your error is impossible, since no written procedures, whose opinion is prevalent.
I is not for the quality of your expertise, and to what is consumer fraud, which, considering that appealed to you, he can be calm for my money, though it is not. Example: I bring to work with your expertise (only assume). I understand that I can buy it and even if it is false, then I get insurance for the error of the expert and not stay in the losers. BUT! The fact that I did not get, if the work would be incorrect. I just could not do anywhere else to prove.
You are doing the right thing, examination is very necessary markets. Simply, consumers should understand that this is all on their own risk.

[Grigory]

Сообщение от Meister

Admin then will transfer our correspondence in a separate post

Postponed. Topic name suits both?

[Art Consulting]

Meister,

Well, it's not entirely true, or rather not so.

First, we are responsible for the choice of the expert and we have an internal rating (though, like you, if the Hamburg score :-) We all know that experts are "knowledgeable," with the conclusions of which the dealer buys the work, and there "comfortable" with whom he will sell a bad job. We work with "knowledgeable". If there is a fund, we work only with the fund or do not meddle in the fine arts, and doing only the technology. But whose opinion prevailing, we do not decide, not you, and the court. Return cause both sides and involve independent experts. My only trick is that we choose the best of the "knowledgeable" and try to eliminate the possibility of procedural attempts to negotiate with interested parties. And thus do not violate, and protect consumer rights. And there is no deception.
With your example, nearly all of them correctly. Just think of the sled. Consider two points, the moral and legal. Moral, briefly (I will give your phrase and will focus on the word "understand", but a reservation, that this was not you personally, we just handle cases, so:

"I" understand "that I can buy it and even if it is false, then I get insurance for the error of the expert and not stay in the losers."

That's when you understand everything, and buy, then that would put someone on the money, this is fraud, and in this case the money you certainly do not get)

But, if you bought the work in the market with our expertise, carried her to the "knowledgeable" expert and he said that's not it. You take the conclusion of this specialist, and go to whoever you sold it. It returns you the money for the subject and the following for your examination and, in turn, carries it to the person from whom he bought it .....( for justice, it happens that way). And when the job falls to the man who ordered the examination, and we got into a situation where because of our mistakes he appeared reasonable financial requirements of third parties, and he made every effort that would not have arisen, but they came against his will, then he comes to us or to the court and then to us, depending on the situation. And the insurer pays him "real damages" and not taken from the ceiling amount.

[мистер-у]

Dear Sirs, what argument? Neither of chem.Lyubaya purchase, a good and expensive work is always and everywhere involves riskom.Eto normal yavlenie.Sto percent guarantee of the authenticity of the work gives only Gospod.Ya repeatedly turned to the Art Kolsanting for technological ekspertizy.Provodyat quality, I suggest pereproveryal.Zatem expert on the artist, or a council (or several experts). I'm with specialists in the "bones" make out rabotu.Mne give full information on technological ekspertize.Ya believe only those opinions that are held in my living uchastii.Nikakim "paper" I do not believe . And now the fun starts directory "Fakes ..." Number 4 at the end there is an article I respected collector of Peter Aven, which describes how the Tretyakov Gallery, he and zkspertami hours under mikrosklpom studied method of applying the signature of the artist, not a pomnyu.Oni came to the conclusion that the signature poddelnaya.Tak did all the antique-collecting folk, I'm sharing on sobiralkinyh kollektsionerov.Sobiralkinu and sell work and a lot of opinions, it is podhodit.Ya not saying that selling poddelku.Ya say he pokupaet.A now a collector, a good collector is always in the subject and before lay 200-300tys.u.e. He will inspect the work so that by selling him should not have any issues. Thus, examination, examination, and must have their own brains.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Mr-y

And here is a collector, the collector is always good in the topic and before you lay out 200-300tys.u.e. He will inspect the work so that by selling him should not have any issues.

Fully agree with you ..

[Meister]

I fully agree with Mr y, that before you buy must thoroughly examine the work and not to believe without taking examination. I explain what my claim to art-consulting, pre-make a small digression:

Сообщение от Art Consulting

buy, then that would put someone on the money, this is fraud, and in this case the money you certainly do not get)

You know, we here all decent people and work with the art is clearly not for the sake of someone "put the money."

Now the very explanation: Art Consulting advertises its expertise (especially technology), using a very important argument: The responsibility for their mistake is insured for a certain number of millions. This appears to be a huge advantage, which provide neither the funds nor the expertise of the museum, or the heirs. Finding your way in some works extremely hard, and technological expertise can sometimes provide invaluable assistance. Art Consulting argues that those. examination virtually sinless, that, however, refuted the practice.
Not all have a good knowledge in art and time to obtain them. Insurance liability expert seems to be avoiding some problems. It turns out that Art Consulting is responsible for the fact that it is real or fake money, and my main claim is just that, get the money in which case it is impossible. Let us give another example:
I bought the work of a famous artist 30-ies on the western auction, brought her here, gave those expert in the art-consulting services, as well as on the composite, the question is no. A verdict of Art consulting it false, as was done in 50-ies. If I believe in art consulting, I'd have to take her back to the auction and try to get it. My loss in this case: transportation, insurance, appraisals, but I got rid of the fake stuff. However, I decided that I do not trust art-consulting and drove her to the West recognized worldwide expert on the artist (on the forum earlier cited example of this situation in real life). The expert recognizes the work of this and then my losses look different: round-trip transportation, insurance, examination of the art consulting. And if I had passed the thing on the auction, the "undrawn profit" from a possible resale in the future. And to compensate the losses incurred due to faulty Art consulting impossible, since can not be proved in court. Here I talk about. Let the art-making consulting expertise, it is necessary market, please do not mislead people, that in case of failure thereof, the organization they will be able to recoup their losses. By the way as another example: I bought the work at auction, brought her here, made the examination in art consulting, has concluded that it is real, it povisela at my home 5 years and then I decided to sell it, find that it is a fake. Return to the auction can not, because possibility of a return period is over. Here me back my cost of this work through the courts because of errors Artkonsaltinga would be impossible. Let them do their expertise, but people must understand that this is also IS AT YOUR OWN RISK

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Meister

a verdict of Art consulting it false, as was done in 50-ies

And based on what it is? 1930.1950 very close, pigments which were not in 1930? Or something else?