/Help please with attribution

[akon]

please help with atributsiey.budu very grateful to you!

[Тихая Сапа]

A copy of Clover?

[Us-tin]

Сообщение от Silent Sapa

Copy from Clover?

And, perhaps, with Charles Rosen ...?

[akon]

Silent Sapa, vv

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Silent Sapa thanks for otvet.no could you explain in more detail his views ? because those of the few experts who have seen this picture, that it was written in 19veke ( as indicated by the condition and quality of the canvas and the paint .) besides , in those places where " in theory " should have been the author's signature , were imposed additional layers of paint. that is because in those days it was necessary to preserve the work. and now we are assured of the need to give it up for examination for the opening of the painting and the definition of authorship. but we are not ready to give it up . on this and want to find the greatest possible amount of information. thank you for your participation!

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от akon; 1777313"

please help with atributsiey.budu very grateful to you !!!

Сообщение от akon; 1777863"

on this and want to know the greatest possible amount of information

Well, then help yourself .
Take a normal photo and then on all counts , according to the posting guidelines :
1. Author.
2. Material and equipment manufacturing ( oil on canvas , cardboard , paper, pastels , watercolors , lithographs , oil, pencil , etc.).
3. Size ( horizontal x vertical for painting).
4. Creation time (1899 /early. , Mid twentieth century. And so on).
5. Captions, labels , stamps, birochki (if available - be sure the photo).
6. State ( breaks, debris , scrapes ).
7. Expert opinion ( if any) - Name of organization + expert.
8. High-quality photograph of the picture , the back of the painting, photo captions ( if any).
9. Origin of the picture.
10. Any other information useful for the attribution of the painting.

[akon]

Сообщение от Us-tin

And, perhaps, with Charles Rosen ?...

Us-tin, thank you very much!
actually very similar!
but what to do next to determine authorship?

[Konstantin]

All subjects combined.

[akon]

Сообщение от Konstantin

If until now you did not follow an offer to purchase , then alas , it means that the picture is not of interest . All the actions that the painting is not worth it. What are you hoping to see in X-rays ? Another picture ? Well, see that it's not there - well. Study the history of paint on canvas - why ?

  Dear Konstantin ! Did I somewhere in the message he wrote that it is sold ? And interest it represents a first for me ... on this and I asked the forum to find out their opinion ...