Education and academic quality, for and against

[AlexanderG]

Spetsial'no reshil otkryt 'etu temu v besedke, chto by legche i bezboleznenei obsuzdat'. Nikogo personal'no ne imeiu v vidu.

Obsudit 'predlagaiu dva aspekta:

1. Skol'nyi, akademicheski podgotovlennyi hudoznik i hudoznik samouchka.

Kak ia uze gde-to pisal, ot bukv k romanu, ot risunka, materialov, kompozitsii k kartine.

2. Magistr i Doktor zivopisi.

Kakim obrazom hudozniki poluchaiut uchionye zvaniia v ne nauchnoi distsipline?
Dlia chego?

[AlexanderG]

Znaiu, tema ne liogkaia. No davaite pogovorim. Ona vaznaia.

[artcol]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Znaiu, tema ne liogkaia. No davaite pogovorim. Ona vaznaia.

1. Self-taught artists not to be envied. But Tri-T (not the movie studio, and the patience, talent and labor) - as we know all Peretrutov.
2. Masters and Doctors of painting on our open spaces are not met. We only professors. But we have a post soon (because they are taught), rather than academic status.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от artcol

1. Self-taught artists not to be envied. But Tri-T (not the movie studio, and the patience, talent and labor) - as we know all Peretrutov.

Bezuslovno. Izvestny mnozestvennye primery uspeshnyh hudoznikov samouchek. No tem ne menee uchit'sia, ne obiazatel'no v universitete, nuzno. Ne dumaiu, chto idei mogut podmenit 'znaniia i umenie. Konechno imet 'kombinatsiiu prekrasno, no segodniashnii art mir chasten'ko pokazyvaet obratnoe.


2. Masters and Doctors of painting on our open spaces are not met. We only professors. But we have a post soon (because they are taught), rather than academic status.

T.e. Vy hotite skazat ', chto zvaniia tipa Master o Fine Arts, ili Doctor of Fine Arts segodnia v Rossii ne suschestvuiut?

[artcol]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

T.e. Vy hotite skazat ', chto zvaniia tipa Master o Fine Arts, ili Doctor of Fine Arts segodnia v Rossii ne suschestvuiut?

Сообщение от artcol

... have not seen.

Likely due to their places without, as well as of their production.

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Skol'nyi, akademicheski podgotovlennyi hudoznik i hudoznik samouchka.

I think that education has never stopped anyone. Especially those masters who knew how to do it. Another question that without special education were artists. Education seems to me, only makes the path to knowledge, but does not guarantee success. Artist with a good academic education is a kind of "handicap" to the self-taught. And what is all about talent and labor ...

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

zvaniia tipa Master o Fine Arts, ili Doctor of Fine Arts segodnia v Rossii ne suschestvuiut?

There are titles such as: People and Honored Artist and Honored Artist. A senior lecturer and professor - a position for those who teach at the Academy.

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Сообщение от artcol

most likely due to their places without, as well as of their production.

Today. unfortunately. production system honored and popular does not exist on skill and merit, and the degree of proximity to those who can give these titles ...

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

I think that education has never stopped anyone. Especially those masters who knew how to do it (teach). Another question that without special education were artists. Education seems to me, only makes the path to knowledge, but does not guarantee success. Artist with a good academic education is a kind of "handicap" to the self-taught. And what is all about talent and labor ...

Dumaiu, chto obuchenie v masterskoi mastitogo hudoznika, kak v predyduschih stoletiiah, nichem ne huze universitetskogo obrazovaniia.
Diplom ne poluchish ', a segodnia eto schitaetsia nekotorym preimuschestvom

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There are titles such as: People and Honored Artist and Honored Artist. A senior lecturer and professor - a position for those who teach at the Academy.

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Ponial, znachit, k schast'iu, k etomu eschio ne prishli.

Today. unfortunately. production system honored and popular does not exist on skill and merit, and the degree of proximity to those who can give such titles ...

Dumaiu eto problema ne odnoznachna. Naprimer, kak kuratory nabiraiut hudoznikov na svoi proekty - nabiraiut teh, kogo oni znaiut. A segodnia odin chelovek ne mozet obladat 'polnotsennoi informatsiei po takim voprosam. Ee slishkom mnogo.

[iside]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Naprimer, kak kuratory nabiraiut hudoznikov na svoi proekty - nabiraiut teh, kogo oni znaiut. A segodnia odin chelovek ne mozet obladat 'polnotsennoi informatsiei po takim voprosam. Ee slishkom mnogo.

AlexanderG, is lazy curators are doing it.

In Italy, it has become very famous talented young curator of the Alberto Agadzani (Alberto Agazzani), more precisely, there are two characters with whom he had a team Luca Beatrice (Luca Beatrice) and Beatrice Buskaroli (Beatrice Buscaroli) - Curators of the Italian pavilion at the Venice Biennale. So Agadzani implements a very important cultural projects and actually contributes to the revival of figurative painting in Italy (and if it does not do in Italy, it is unclear where this is all done).

For one of its projects (Here is the link, but in Italian, if strongly Interestingly I put) Agadzani collected 120 paintings of Italian living artists, some quite unknown, has traveled all over Italy, stopping in person at the shop and selected works.
Here is the correct way to become famous.

It is not just a curator, he was art historian, critic and journalist, incidentally, and very handsome man.

And what have we? Catherine Tar, which makes his reputation by talking about shit.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от iside

And what have we? Catherine Tar, which makes his reputation by talking about shit.

Well, well, Katherina Tar has long been known art critic, curator, art critic, specialist in Russian art of XX-XXI centuries, Ph.D., corresponding member of the Russia Academy of Arts.

She graduated from Moscow State University (Faculty of History, Department of History of Art). She worked as a guide Central Exhibition Hall "Manege" (1981-88), from 1988 - Fellow of the theoretical department of the State Tretyakov Gallery. She worked as a columnist for Kommersant "(1993-2000)," Vedomosti ". Chief-editor section of art portal OpenSpace.ru. Corresponding Member of Arts (2007). Candidate of Art (2004).

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

today. unfortunately. production system and the people there are distinguished not by skill and merit, and the degree of proximity to those who can give such titles ...

It is today, ie as I understand the past 25-30 years, after 80 . I think the title of a member of the Soviet Union, it is very worthy of the title, and how much I do not vstrechval-be artists members of this organization, they were very deserving artists (in my opinion), then something would be to them, it was necessary to go through a lot of tests, and no approximate, could not help. Artists of this generation, most of them in the future will vostrebovanny.Ya think so. Soon the whole policy of the type of socialist realism, fade from these paintings, cartons, and will remain pure art.