Iconography

[Pecheneg]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

This thing - poluikona, semi-religious paintings

How's that??
This does not happen ....

There are icons and there are paintings on religious themes ...

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Pecheneg

What's that??
This does not happen ....

There are icons and there are paintings on religious themes ...

Does not happen, but it happens.

In the early 20 th century.

[gran]

http://www.mastericonlogos.ru/Public...na&Kartina.php

[redbor]

Whatever the opinion, and fantasy, clearly defined since the period of the victory over iconoclasm:
image of the Holy Face with inscription of his name - is an icon.
 Other questions have been - on the techniques of writing styles,
of canonicity or uncanonical individual icons or icon painting schools. But the very notion of the icon-opredelenot accurately.
With a portrait of confusion is impossible.
 Shl. It is interesting to go back to an icon placed in the subject. Look at the signature Gurkin
It seems the author of threads that got it wrong with the sale or purchase.

[Любознательный]

Сообщение от redbor

Whatever the opinion, and fantasy, clearly defined since the period of the victory over iconoclasm:
image of the Holy Face with inscription of his name - is an icon.
 Other questions have been - on the techniques of writing styles,
of canonicity or uncanonical individual icons or icon painting schools. But the very notion of the icon-opredelenot accurately.
With a portrait of confusion is impossible.
 Shl. It is interesting to go back to an icon placed in the subject. Look at the signature Gurkin
It seems the author of threads that got it wrong with the sale or purchase.

However, I have a different opinion.
I am - not an artist, but a halo I can do with a compass, and be able to inscribe the name of a saint. Else (in my opinion - most importantly) I can only make a well-known proverb: with images cucumber, full stops and commas.
From your point of view - my spotting immediately becomes bound icon.
From what I have to agree, well, I can not.

No wonder I clarified my question a note: "In Orthodoxy".
It seems to me, the image on the holy icon must correspond primarily to the canon.
Interpretation of the artist the image of man (even holy) - it is painting. In some cases - the religious. In some cases - anti-religious.
Painting, rather than icons, it eslt not subject to the influence of instruction on even the icon-painting, not to mention obyazatetelnosti iconographer for instruction, approved by the Synod in the prerevolutionary Russia. In those days, everything (including artists) are sufficiently been religiously educated (system). Now - all the pieces. Unfortunately.

P.S. With regards to the picture provided, then a decent photo as it was not, or not. On the investigation of a signature may be a question?

[Игорь Гурьев]

Something I can not remember on the icon "The Trinity" no inscriptions.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Is there something I can not remember on the icon "The Trinity" no inscriptions.

You are the Trinity of the State Tretyakov Gallery?
So what? In many ancient icons, labels are lost.
 By the way, at Trinity after ponovleniya in 1904 to guryanovskoy "restoration" inscription was
 You can see it duplicated in the golden frame of the icon ...
I think that if I returned to Trinity Church, inscription would be restored.

Сообщение от Inquisitive

However, I have a different opinion.
I am - not an artist, but a halo I can do .. PS With regards to the picture provided, then a decent photo as it was not, or not. On the investigation of a signature may be a question?

 Do not be sad about icons. It is only important for the Christian.
Mostly in Orthodoxy.
If the portrait of Saint-written his name for the Orthodox Christian is an icon. regardless of the style of writing.
 An icon may be in the "red corner". before it can be to pray.
(This is an Orthodox perspective. A Buddhist or atheist, it will be different)
 The temples are icons of varying degrees of canonicity and different styles.
If a person is not Orthodox is for him an icon of the Trinity just a picture from a museum, by Andrei Rublev 15 century. Purely subjective vospiriyatie different people of the same subject.
 Who Jesus is God, who - a historical character, someone mythical.
Here we see just an icon, with its attributes,
  and the signature would look like that one you
the author wrote the theme - the signature icon painter.
Icon of interesting in many ways and I hope to be able to see the signature.
Maybe. that the author is indeed Gurkin.

[Любознательный]

I can not agree with the view that anti-religious cartoons depicting the saint (but with a halo and an inscription) is an icon, and I think this opinion is a mistake.

In this case, my opponent is not only crossed the boundaries of decency and violated the Rules of the forum, but also allowed the expression in my address, which contains insulting my religious feelings:
" Do not be sad about icons. It is only important for the Christian.
Mostly in Orthodoxy. ".

In connection with the foregoing, I ask the administration to block access to the forum party under the name "redbor".

Otherwise I will have to apply for judicial protection of their violated rights and freedoms.

[redbor]

Trinity, which for the Orthodox people - is a holy icon,
for an atheist or heathen - at best - a valuable work of art of 15 century.
 Sacred to Jews, the Torah scroll, Buddhists and Christians - just a roll of material.
 Buddiskie mantra for the Judeo-set of sounds.
Pagan idols - for Christians simple sculptures.
What can I do here?
 Shaman Voodoo god does not allow him to touch the doll, which pokes a needle. Sue him in court?
Subjective perception of the shrines for each ...
 In the subject dealt with the icon of the Choros-Gurkin.
"Curious" got a request to explain to him the difference between the icons and pictures.
Expanse of the question. The icon is a painting that has the required attributes.
And in general - each person can decide that it is an icon.
He (the curious) does not understand? Maybe he had to open a special topic, not trashed this?
 By the way, poluikon no polukartin does not happen, that's for sure.

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Inquisitive

In connection with the foregoing, I ask the administration to block access to the forum party under the name" redbor ".

Otherwise I will have to seek judicial protection of their violated rights and freedoms.

Threats are not allowed, the participant with the nickname curious banned for a month.