Russian art market for contemporary art in terms of marketing

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Fed

You know, the debate about " creators " - about anything , especially in this thread.
Do you think that the four " neosilivshih " yavyat something ? Or the more will decide ?

 

I'm not a " creator - netvorets " I inability of even ordinary ordinary artists ( in this case four confirmed experiment) to act in the logic of marketing, commodity production and service delivery.
Or do you think that Picasso would have lost your job ?

[Pablo]

Sergey burly, I still think that artists fall into , so to speak , and not commercial . Here's how the rankings.
If we assume an artist man spotting brush on the canvas . Commercial - the one who carries out orders . Acting on the request . Nonprofit - wrote that. what he wants .
But in any case - as always a matter of money and in fact this face is so thin that almost not visible to the naked eye , or rather with the notion of art as such .

[Jasmin]

Sergey burly, I can cite another case , no less funny. Also from useful tips. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

To one gallery owner , which were the work of Van Gogh , a man came and asked him for advice , what picture of contemporary artists buy to leave a good legacy grandchildren and properly invest . However, his gaze focused on the " Red Vineyard at Arles " . Gallerist followed the direction of his gaze and said - yes, the right choice is very good work . But who is a painter? - Asked the potential buyer - It is not known , and an unusual style . No, buy Single something more traditional. And he bought a classic watercolors known at the time of the author. For the same money . And he was very happy with my purchase . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
20 years have passed . To host galleries son of a buyer comes and brings that same work , and asks for help to sell it , because the family is impoverished and very much in need . Gallerist remembered all the circumstances the purchase of twenty years ago , and said :
- Does your father was able to buy Red Vineyard Van Gogh , for the same money , which he bought for this academic watercolor . Now the work of Van Gogh hanging in a museum , I paid for it a huge amount . And the fact that you brought , I will not attempt to sell even half the price than the one in which your father bought it .
I do not know what the moral of the story . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Сергей Дородный]

Pablo almost agree with you , it's up nuances .

When asked Tarkovsky " Andrei Tarkovsky , this is the movie and the movie .
Can you shed some light as that ? "He brilliantly replied," There is cinema , and there kinoshou "

There is a picture - containing -the-art , and there is a picture - Naturally does not contain the-art ( picture show ) . This is the main difference, rather than commercial , a non-profit .
Because is that commercial - Mr. nobody wanted, and sometimes non-profit snapping like pies .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Jasmin, in the original story was the daughter and watercolor acquired its 18 th anniversary, and lovers of art and Marchand occurred in 10 years.

Marchand, incidentally, was well aware of this amateur, he every day home from work and went to the gallery about these poppies stood waiting.

[Seriy]

"The Red Vineyard" sold directly from the show.
Sister friend bought Van Gogh.

[Pablo]

Sergey burly, what you said - the same thing that I said <! - ~ 1 ~ ->) commercial - that is evaluated.
and only now appreciate money.
Here you have a parallel with the show.

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Jasmin

[B]

I do not know what the moral of the story.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And the moral (in relation to the subject) - the art of planning framework does not tolerate success, "correct", "refinement of the system."


As someone said Sasha Grey on the transfer of "Visiting Urganta" (or something similar): "I'm always looking for new challenges!"

[iosif]

iside, it is , indeed, about the Russian market , as clearly stated in the title . And it is not a whole but only a part thereof , as mentioned in the text. And about the lag in five or six years is also true, because while it is the norm . But in 1991, when I wrote the first textbook on advertising, we lagged fifty years . So all is not lost.
The second important point - I only write about what I know personally . This , of course, and plus and minus . I personally standard marketing procedures and skills allow to achieve acceptable results . By the way, the internet and social network response I give a little , it would be very interesting if you shared your knowledge .
Yet it seems to me that the standard marketing does not exhausted in the Russian Art business. Especially considering the fact that its members are still debating is whether the goods in what they sell .

Added after 16 minutes
anik, than you my Russian does not like ? Lay out like normal . And that the terms non-Russians - well, there is. Not everyone in the world invented only our compatriots .
Article certainly not popular science . And not pseudoscientific . A simple application , there is such a good -language term < ! - ~ 1 ~ ->
And about poop agree with you , I do not like them too . Because to them , and do not concentrate . In my opinion, it is not art , and who thinks differently - so we have a free country <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от anik; 2916171"

The potential buyer confused , he does not know what is good and what is bad, what is true and what is false . And

This is a good point . Some time ago, ordinary educated people bought what attracted and it was right .
Now everyone is afraid that they "do not understand " ... It spoils the business much more than it might seem at first glance ... From large exhibitions washed segment of realism ... he not only welcomed, but it almost is accused of ...
Besides, there is still an important point : today we are not talking " the same language" - too different priorities and interests, and the notion that " can hang on the wall" ...
What is today the picture , why should she? this dialogue , decoration, which it need ? Matter of prestige ? But then it is a short set of names and the same short list of buyers ...