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Старый 30.04.2010, 22:18 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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Here is the topic:" anti-Stalinist poster contest ... "
Well, tell me where there is the artistic discovery, where the talented work ... Blogs Gelman and others read by many, but are interested in personal opinions. His I have expressed.



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Старый 30.04.2010, 22:25 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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Well, tell me where there is artistic discoveries
I've already shown, see above, like all three ..



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Старый 30.04.2010, 22:27 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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Indeed, what's the use of dispute.
The main thing is not how to vote. The main thing, as counting the votes.
But more important than all those who believe?

Those who had the right to take it - has long been in the damp earth.
May God rest his soul rest in peace.



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"Decent Commander" Hitler was prepared to pay as early as June 41 th Baltics, Ukraine, Bessarabia and Bukovina, the Karelian isthmus, if only he had not come to Moscow:.

From the explanatory notes by Pavel Sudoplatov the Council of Ministers of the USSR on Aug. 7, 1953

«I reported the following well-known fact to me.

A few days after the treacherous Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union, about the number of 25-27 June 1941, I was summoned to the business office of the then People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR Beria.

Beria told me that there is a solution of the Soviet government, according to which should be an informal way to find out the conditions under which Germany would agree to stop the war against the Soviet Union and to halt the offensive Nazi troops. Beria was explained to me that the decision of the Soviet Government has to create conditions that allow the Soviet government to maneuver and gain time to gather strength. In this regard, Beria ordered me to meet with the Bulgarian Ambassador to the USSR Stamenov, which, according to the NKVD, had connections with the Germans and it was well known. <...>

Beria ordered me to put in a conversation with Stamenov four questions. These questions are enumerated Beria, looking at his notebook, and they were as follows:

1. Why Germany, violating the nonaggression pact, the beginning of the war against the USSR.

2. What Germany would suit the conditions under which Germany agreed to stop the war, you need to stop the war.

3. Arrange a transfer of Germans in Germany of Soviet territory, as the Baltics, Ukraine, Bessarabia, Bukovina, the Karelian isthmus.

4. If not, then at any further claim to the territory of Germany.

Beria ordered me to talk with Stamenov I had not, on behalf of the Soviet government, and raised these issues during talks on the subject of existing military and political situation, and found also Stamenov opinion on the merits of these four issues.

Beria said that the meaning of my conversation with Stamenov is to Stamenov well remember these four questions.

Beria, in this case expressed confidence that Stamenov he would bring these matters to the attention of Germany ... »

(Archive of the President of Russia. F. 3. Dn. 24. AD 465. L. 204-208.)



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Старый 30.04.2010, 22:31 Язык оригинала: Русский       #15
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I have already shown, see above, like all three ..
And me alone. The message number 10.



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Старый 30.04.2010, 22:46 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
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You perfectly understood what was going on and we must not cling to the words.
Well, yes, understood.
For you veteran guard Gulag torturers Yes Katyn. They also all for faithful service "decent commander in chief" awards were given, apartments.
But veterans of the Victory Day apartments should give. Their left-needing-58000. Over 65 years not yet given. So maybe now datut. For those who survived.
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Старый 30.04.2010, 22:47 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
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По умолчанию Stalin's portrait is no place on the streets of Moscow

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Who wants to express himself, then he will do on May 9 at a meeting with veterans. They shall see who is right or not.
Sergei, a veteran already answered Luzhkov (lads)
Moscow City Hall to the 65 th anniversary of the Victory is going to "beautify" the city of portraits of Stalin.
We believe this idea sacrilegious.
The role of Stalin - it is not victory, but the unthinkable, with nothing commensurate with the extent of losses.

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Stalin - that rout of the army leadership, the destruction of professional military personnel in 1937-1938.
Stalin - this extrajudicial destruction in 1930 of hundreds of thousands of our countrymen who would in 1941 join the ranks of the defenders of the motherland.
Stalin - a collapse of the defense industry, shootings and arrests of the leading organizers, designers and engineers.
Stalin - a criminal and shameful collusion with Hitler in 1939, supplying Nazi Germany to Soviet raw materials and aggressive policy, for which the Soviet Union was expelled from the League of Nations.
Stalin - a monstrous political shortsightedness that led to the catastrophe of the first months of the war, when the Nazis occupied the vast territory and captured millions of our soldiers. For these achievements fascist troops Stalin did more than all the German field marshals and generals.
Stalin - is unprecedented in the history of an example of betrayal: the soldiers, captured by the fault-chief, were declared traitors.
Stalinist policies, we and our family felt the full even before the war and the war have seen no publicity points.

We know about Stalin's role was not hearsay. For us it is not tales of Stalin's textbooks and student outlines the History of the CPSU (b). It's part of our lives - at the front or the rear.

We have done everything for victory, not because so ordered Stalin - we are simply defending their homeland, which was many centuries before Stalin, and will continue for many centuries after Luzhkov.
Initially, one might think that the idea of Moscow officials due to their incompetence - nothing else can explain the words of Yuri Luzhkov of "Stalinist ten strokes, the story of which he could not find in today's textbooks. It's a cliche Stalinist propaganda has long been filed.

But after the first public criticism of the Moscow City Hall raced this demagoguery that has become clear: it is not just incompetence, but also a conscious effort to rehabilitate Stalin.

No one opposing the poster did not call "abandon history" and "black out the wrong page", as falsely trying to present officials.

On the contrary: it is on these pages - not "wrong", and the tragic - and we believe it is necessary to remember.

Naturally, during the Soviet era crimes of the communist regime did not condemn, and Stalin's crimes mentioned very rarely.
But after the Soviet government, for all the nearly 20 years in power, Luzhkov never on the streets of Moscow did not add any poster telling about Stalin's crimes against his own people, against the army.

And now for some reason the 65 th anniversary of Victory Muscovites offer new look at the products Stalinist agitprop.

We believe this decision is not just a personal affront to us all and for the people who won the victory. We are confident that this decision is an insult to the whole country, that it undermined the prestige of Russia.
Moreover, it undermines the very greatness of the Victory, inherited such an incredible price. It is unacceptable to the Victory Day hang portraits of torturers and murderers.
We call on the mayor of Moscow to rescind its decision.


Vladimir Kristapovich Kantian, a disabled war veteran, prisoner of the Gulag. Yuri L. Sagalovich, disabled veteran, Ph.D., a former machine gunner and scout. Olga Noevna Kosorez, veteran, volunteer, served in the exploration, radio operator and translator. Mark M. Rafał, veteran 1941-1945., Captain of marines, the defense of Moscow. Jacob Kostyukovsky, a war veteran and screenwriter. Lev Netto, a veteran of World War II, a prisoner of the gulag, party Norilsk uprising in 1953, Mark Solomonovich Neufeld, disabled veteran, honored inventor of Russia, Candidate of Technical Sciences. Lena A. Litveyko-Belyakov, a veteran of World War II, honored the donor of the USSR, a pediatrician. Semen Filippovich Marshak, a disabled war veteran, chairman of the veterans VNII "Stroydormash.
http://www.mk.ru/social/article/2010...h-moskvyi.html



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International project "Snob" an exhibition of anti-Stalinist poster
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Старый 01.05.2010, 13:05 Язык оригинала: Русский       #19
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Moderate Tsar Nicholas II, Lenin and the revolution, Stalin's regime - the trouble of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, which affected all our peoples.
One could dream that it would be if it were not for the first world war, revolution, etc. ... But, unfortunately, history does not happen - this is not a video game.

Lenin was. Stalin was. How was Napoleon or Hitler, Peter I, or Chings Khan. But attempts to earn cheap popularity and to cancel all the evils of the Stalinist regime in modern Russia does not deserve respect. In many respects, a habit to write off all the troubles of the world in the USSR and Russia appeared in the 90's, when Russia was not up to such ideological details. When many look toward the West in the pink shades. But it was enough to pass years, a closer look at life in the West, with their so-called "Free" press, watch the number of wars over the past decade on the quiet protection of Western values - and the blind worship of many gone. I'm sure.
I do not see much difference between the ideology of communism and the ideology of capitalism - all apply the same techniques and punches, if they can afford it. Enough to read the modern Western press - in some passages, it reminds me of the Soviet press. But, they seem to actually believe that their opinion is the only right one. Similarly, we were confident in their infallibility during the Soviet Union.

Soviet Union during the war, repressed and exiled to some nationalities.
U.S. herded into their konlagerya Japanese and Germans, who were U.S. citizens, rather than prisoners of war.
Naturally, the only two cases in the world of the atomic bomb occurred only in the name of democracy.
We had our own Afghanistan, it is now observed in the democratic world. Only they влипли there for more years.

To Democrats, but who shot from the Democrats.

So what's the difference? "And these people do not allow me to pick your nose?" - Little Johnny said, when he found his parents during sex.

But if you look serious, it is only 20-30%of the world's population support the Western values. China + India + Africa + + Yuzh.Amerika Asia (excluding Japan) = approximately 5 billion people. As you see, billions of Earthlings do not care about democracy, free speech and more so on Christian values. What now, they also all democratize? Army, NATO is not enough for such a feat.




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But if we take seriously, only 20-30%of the world's population support the Western values.
If "look seriously", then you write nonsense.

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Only they влипли there for more years.
So talking about Iraq and the international forces there leave.
And from Afghanistan will go.
You seem to have forgotten why it was decided to enter the international military contingent there.

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China + India + Africa + + Yuzh.Amerika Asia (excluding Japan) = approximately 5 billion people. As you see, billions of earthlings do not care about democracy, freedom of speech and more so on Christian values.
Yeah, South. America do not care "on the Christian values" ...
India, Asia (excluding Myanmar, probably) firmly in democracy.
You just do not know.
And learn more about China.
So your calculations for peteushnikov for Political Education conscripts of the Armed Forces, is possible. And even then, the modern political commissars to such wild conclusions do not condescend.
"To hell with democracy, freedom of speech and more so on Christian values" pirate Somalia, the Taliban and cannibals in the equatorial forest, probably.




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