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Costs, valuation, attribution Discuss artworks’ prices and attribution. |
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Да | 38 | 34.23% | |
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15.05.2008, 15:23 | Язык оригинала: Русский #31 |
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Listen, why it had to sell? Over the past 20 years has appeared at auction 134 works Rothko. Had been sold, of course, not all. Subtract the work, bought by museums and private foundations, which simply must have on his status. Find that in the year sold 2.3 work. And this is understandable: the museums that already have this collection in titanium, are unlikely to find money to buy one more (just can not explain the need for the purchase of the sponsors) who want to decorate their homes or a collection of such masterpieces seems to me a lot to be no way (not even talk about money), there are still corporate collections, but here buying one piece of goods is usually enough.
Generally speaking, perhaps, the real demand for the artist can tell by the number of its sales. For comparison, for the same past 20 years has sold more than 600 works of Monet, Vlaminck 3500 and 10000 Daly, not to mention the Chagall and Picasso. Recent sales of contemporary art - not only Rothko, and Kline, and Murakami - remind me of trading in gold toilets, too, someone impress, to sell can be very expensive, but a little. |
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15.05.2008, 20:03 | Язык оригинала: Русский #32 |
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Yeah, with Rothko deystvitelno strange happened. Perhaps reserve was somehow Lomov? Pofantaziruem that the sellers relied on the previous sale - 72 million - and this time the expectations were 55-60 million. But after the sale was isklyuchtelnaya. "White Center" named only as "Rockefeller Rothko" - there is not only a thing was outstanding, but the history of existence peculiar. Plus caught Sheikh, as we now know, from Qatar, for which these millions - only numbers in PDA. So the purchase of 72 million might not be an occasion to raise the bar market. This may be the explanation?
And about "not selling out" - is 100%accurate? In artprayse There is a mark not communicated. It may mean not sold, but not necessarily. Soon will be a press release, we'll see. All now Solemn information appeared - still not sold, lot not sold. Who knows what was the "estimate on request"? |
24.07.2009, 10:01 | Язык оригинала: Русский #33 |
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Droege friends
Everyone interested in this topic strongly advise you to see the doc. Film (2009) British journalist Ben Lewis "Big bubble of modern art": (18Maya 09) on channel BBC-4 broadcast the film took a British journalist Ben Lewis "Large (soap) bubble of Contemporary Art" (Ben Lewis "The Great Contemporary Art Bubble") Or, as he called it: "The film, which art world would prefer that you did not watch ". The film-stock of his annual study (investigation) formation of inflated prices for works of contemporary art at the major auctions, that how this affects the museum policy and why ultimately ordinary nalogoprlatelschik pay for it. film within a year impartially observing the events (auctions and prices), and of facts, figures and statements of various collectors picture is education inflated prices in the market today art and their consequences. The situation in the contemporary art world (at auction) Ben Lewis compares with the sinking Titanic, When in the midst of merriment, and the ship had already begun to sink .. Picture: http://www.benlewis.tv/?p=178#respond Interesting movie (watched 2 times-especially at night get up)! .. No museums, (All works are "inflated" artists, not yourself "untwisted" (living) artists, not Sotebis for interview in the film did not agree ... in this movie, he also examines the situation with the hollow prices for Rothko ... If you do not miss the opportunity! |
24.07.2009, 11:10 | Язык оригинала: Русский #34 |
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The fact that business is business-t e marketing, with a wrap and price manipulation of the psychology of buyers is something news? This is the work of gallery owner and auctioneer, r e the fact that they are obliged to do. But honesty and truthfulness, adequacy of price and promises? ...
Each toothpaste promises us protection against tooth decay, and the dentist will still turn. So? Who is to blame? What is the difference-SC is Rothko or Picasso, 0.5 million, 5 million or 55 million? Some of us want to buy a few pieces? Then why discuss it? And Rothko and Bacon-museum artists. It contains in itself-thread Rothko painting or simply painted on canvas? IMHO-contained. At an exhibition in Moscow back Rothko hang two such copies painted huge canvases, a beautiful course facilitators! Feel the difference, we are told .. Picasso's genius. Always perfect in color and composition. He has a poor work? complete .. He feared nothing, he has a repetitive-t e in the day wrote on his still lifes with the same garbage-thing there sorted out for themselves ... Units 5 similar still lifes with a brown jug, it is not clear why ... Artistic value of such works, IMHO, is low. Well, so what, he only masterpieces of writing? and when just warm up or to explore, to seek ways? prohibited? Any author is entitled to garbage. Just some, like Bacon, garbage destroyed, leaving only the history of masterpieces, and some, like Picasso, left, once someone interesting-to your health! But never is not durilovka-t e a focused game with the buyer. If you step by step look at Picasso's work in chronological order, see SC preparatory work done for each work to the same Les Demoiselles d'Avignon. Or how many drawings done by portraits of women, there are sketches of two times compared to the written. |
24.07.2009, 11:17 | Язык оригинала: Русский #35 | |
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24.07.2009, 11:26 | Язык оригинала: Русский #36 |
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I do not discuss the price, I absolutely indifferent, SC are Rothko and Picasso at auction ... Bid no one is available, the author himself also has no matter ...
creation, the history of creation, technology, art and how artists themselves positioned in the market, it is interesting to me ... A promotion for the interesting-and why none of our gallery owners generally engaged in the abstraction? Give a tip-off? or market deaf to this direction? |
24.07.2009, 11:37 | Язык оригинала: Русский #37 | |
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Is there any demand-that is the question ... |
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24.07.2009, 11:50 | Язык оригинала: Русский #38 | |
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The task of art historians, art critics, gallery owners - "create demand" in the art (which I not only about abstraction. Actually, I also wonder why it is virtually absent in the Russian galleries). |
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24.07.2009, 11:58 | Язык оригинала: Русский #39 | |
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It's like a "bypassing capitalism"-from realism to conceptualism, (very popular if you try to explain) ... |
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