Nonconformists in Miami

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Pavel; 1867491"

they are secondary, similar to one another , and another for those who have seen in magazines .

Give specific examples where the first row of non-conformists alike .
Term - until tomorrow , if not back up his words with pictures - Bunn 1 month for flooding.
All your other messages in this topic will be deleted.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

You know me and then it was difficult to exposing

When the 'if'?

Bulldozer took 9.15 1974, and you Stroganovka only 80, he graduated from what exhibitions and in the 85th already begun restructuring, lifted all the restrictions and opened the border.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Konstantin; 1867501"

Give specific examples where the first row of non-conformists alike .

Such examples exist and they surprised me . In 1961 . J. Dyne put " shovel " (shovel attached to a headband for fire fighting , vertical installation, all things natural .) Kabakov exhibited his " shovel " (also attached to a headband and also to extinguish the fire horizontally ) until much later.
Walter De Maria has exhibited "minimalism" - blank pages with scratches in the corner. I personally saw the exhibit at the CHA D. Lyon - blank pages with scratches in the corner in 1990.
There are other examples . There is no similarity of examples, but on the secondary ( first row) .

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Сообщение от Konstantin; 1867501"

if you do not back up his words with pictures -

I find it difficult to take pictures of primary sources, but cite the data book Modernism " (Moscow ," ART " 1980. , Third edition ), where published Dzh.Dayn and many other avant-garde , whose works were the subject of the basic idea of ​​repetition , both externally and in fact .

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K-Maler, as I understand, now banid participant was asked to give "specific examples of where the first row of non-conformists alike," and so "nonconformists," we now call artists-members of unofficial art in the USSR, 50 -
80 years.
What does the American Jim Dine?

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Pavel; 1867491"

I'm telling you they are secondary, similar to one another , and another for those who have seen in magazines. Not original. They had been deceived and strangers shopping attention. We must not imitate but to learn and creatively recycle .

Discussed and that there is a " secondary " and indeed it is ... possible , without it was not enough. It is impossible also to deny that any of the two " scoops " to be " first".
Paul is not right that they " look alike ", but the repetition of the avant-garde techniques first is the case.

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Сообщение от K-Maler

I can not also deny that any of the two of spades was the "first".

Who invented the radio?
Popov or Marconi?
A bulb - or Lodygina Didrihson?

[artcol]

Сообщение от K-Maler

discussed the fact that there is a " secondary "...

According to another could not be a scoop .

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Who invented the radio ? Popov or Marconi ? A bulb - or Lodygin Didrihson ?
Or Yablochkov ? Maybe Swan ?

And it needs to look at the date of patent , no other criteria .

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Сообщение от K-Maler; 1869371"

discussed the fact that there is a " secondary " and indeed it is ... possible , without it was not enough .

Yes we have already noted :

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1861821 "

The main problem of artists of that time, that they invented the wheel , since almost no access to world art , or had but very limited . As a result, artists of the sixties is very much secondary .

But even with frequent " secondary" non-conformists , and despite the fact that , as it turned out , many of them simply "reinventing the wheel " , this art is a real outstanding artists of the world level.

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Сообщение от artcol

And this is to look at the date of the patent, no other criteria.

I is the fact that the idea of ​​"hovering in the air" and come immediately to mind in a few heads around the same time.
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[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Yes, we have already noted :
But even with frequent " secondary" non-conformists , and despite the fact that , as it turned out , many of them simply "reinventing the wheel " , this art is a true world-class outstanding artists .

Who , for example?

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I is the fact that the idea of ​​" hovering in the air " and come immediately to mind in a few heads around the same time . >

These cases - from pre-revolutionary Russia . And scoop - everything was stolen from the West ( there is a widespread belief ). Well, or with the same pre-revolutionary Russia survived.

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Сообщение от artcol

Who, for example?

Ilya Kabakov, for example.
Neizvestny.
Erik Bulatov.
Alexander Kosolapov.

I can not call Mikhail Roginsky.