Kurt Melech? Help assess the picture is about 180 years.

[Балагур]

Сообщение от Boris Cohn

AL stoshestidesyaty , the picture you standing . You also said. This is enough to be a signature schastlivym.A You hardly decipher . The artist probably missing. Especially - Kurt, and sorry ...
In good frame to it, this gypsy . Wonderful nature. Simply magnificent !

I have another theory. I agree with all that the artist is strong enough. Hence the question - why would he sign to hide? He did not hide it and just sign it will be difficult to read. Most importantly, it is - a fragment , a part of the big picture. Please note : the face and the hair is completely spelled out , and the clothes and hands - no. This suggests that the artist clearly looks like the girl in the general composition of the future picture . Style, of course, and not feshinsky harlamovsky though, somewhere close. We must look for , be sure to search for the author !
Good luck!

[bykinist]

reminded ...


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Sorokin, "Beggar Girl - Spanish flu", 1852 (TG)

[AL160]

I am looking for ... looking for, only the results are negative ...

Thank you all for your help!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от AL160

picture of about 180 years.

Less, of course.

Сообщение от peals

"Sevastopol.
Kurta Melek.
August 2, 1870 ».

That's the date closer.


Ignoring the line, I would suggest in this paper a copy of a European thing.

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And the manner of something like this:

[Кирилл Сызранский]

And the manner of something like this:

[AL160]

Thanks for the help !
But the picture may not be a copy . Now I went in search of the other side ... while I can say that the pictures I showed during his life belonged to Professor Higher Commercial School (until 1907: Alexander's Commercial College ), belonging to a branch of the princely family enough known ). Many pictures , after his death , settled in other relatives. Among the paintings are paintings by renowned artists. I can send experts to the post pictures of one or two pictures in order to avoid any doubt ...
Today, there is every reason that Kurt Melek is not a royal hill somewhere near Kerch , and Malakhov Kurgan. Something got hold of the story ...
If interested , I'll report on the " dig ."

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And in the manner of something like this:

If no trouble ...
Who wrote this miniature?

[natalia-v]

Сообщение от AL160

If interested, I'll report on the "dig."

Certainly interesting > >

[Балагур]

Сообщение от AL160

Thanks for the help!
But the picture may not be a copy . Now I went in search of the other side ... while I can say that the pictures I showed during his life belonged to Professor Higher Commercial School (until 1907: Alexander's Commercial College ), belonging to a branch of the princely family enough known ). Many pictures , after his death , settled in other relatives. Among the paintings are paintings by renowned artists. I can send experts to the post pictures of one or two pictures in order to avoid any doubt ...
Today, there is every reason that Kurt Melek is not a royal hill somewhere near Kerch , and Malakhov Kurgan. Something got hold of the story ...
If interested , I'll report on the " dig ."

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If no trouble ... Who wrote this miniature ?

Henri Lehmann ( German ) or Henri Lehmann, despite the language to pronounce.

[Дилетант]

Yes, I wonder.
In my opinion you submitted sketch (and it is - it is a sketch, in the old academic sense of the word) has no pronounced signs of secondary, original, certainly painted by a professional artist, and the author's inscription - is made in Sevastopol.
As for the time of its creation ... Well, it is clear that the 1820-ties of the work can not be dated. This is not even discussed.
Go ahead: 187 (9?) Year.
Young days, but ... Sevastopol has just risen from the ruins (think picture P.P.Vereschagina "General view of Sevastopol from Malakhov Hill" in 1873 from RM).
Their (local) professional artists - shish Kumysh yes (and this is a strong exaggeration).
But from St. Petersburg to work on the murals restored and newly built temples in the late 1860s to Sevastopol really was sent (as we would say now) group is completely venerable artists, graduates of IAH. In particular - Akim Karneev Ye, who led the work on the painting of St. Nicholas Church at the military Brethren Cemetery, then - Vladimir's Cathedral on the central hill and the church of St. Alexander Nevsky. But it is not only restored the temples, and private mansions ...
(Incidentally, Karneeva in 1882 opened the first publicly available starting in Sebastopol Drawing School, was placed in the house of AE)
In my opinion, the author presented sketch could be someone from the St. Petersburg artists working at that time in Sevastopol.
For further "digs" I would like to: a) see the live image and twirl it in the handles, and b) if it is impossible - to get quality pictures plot signature, made after will be deployed improvised edges with fragments of the paint layer and the infamous date. (By the way, as soon as this is done - and the author's name, I think, well readable >)
(And more. Good people, do not call you the edge "rim"!)
Well - something like that ... Something like that ...
P.S. About the date. There was also a kind of notation the exact date of creation (as a rule - to study): the first two digits of the year - a small space - the number of the month - a small space - the last two digits of the year. For example: "18 2.8 98". Thus, as an assumption. Deploy edge - check.

[AL160]

Сообщение от Dilettante , 2452001"

unfold edge - check.

Unfortunately , deploy an edge I do not succeed , paint flaking in the fold . Without the use of chemicals will not work! As for good pictures, upload them to the site is possible only within certain parameters. Had to significantly reduce the amount of pictures ... lost brightness and faded color.
If we talk about the time of writing and say that this is 1879 , the author may be Myasoedov , I have repeatedly heard that his picture is there, but what? In 1870, in Crimea could not get from , well, somewhere 8-10 years later , he was in the Crimea, seems moved there to live ... (I may be mistaken, I apologize in advance .)

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Сообщение от Dilettante, 2452001

I would like to: a) see the live image and twirl it in the handles;

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