The customs and rituals in art

[DSF]

It is unfortunate that in our country, "paintings and icons - two very different things."

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Let everyone keeps his or her opinion ... The Church is not allowed to paint icons on the imagination of the artist or from a live model, as it would mean a conscious and complete detachment from the prototype. Name written on the icon, no longer correspond to the represented person and it would be obvious lies. "The icons should be written on the substance and image, rather than on guesswork and samomyshleniyu.
"As if alive" on the icons can not write more because the saints are in the other world, in eternity, and not live terrestrial mortal life, measurable time. This explains why icons are not quite appropriate to call the painting.

This topic is so deep that there and look scary. : eek:

Painting in the general sense, as defined in dictionaries, is the creation of artistic images paints, art. In this sense, the iconography is clearly a painting. Creating images using digital technology today is also considered one of the areas of painting.
You can narrow the definition of art, requiring, for example, that it inevitably there has freedom of the imagination of the artist. This is clearly an artificial limitation, because it discriminates against artists who want to transfer the exact nature. But even this definition is still painting icons, because the imagination is free to the icon painter in the canon. For the Saints the same pose canon, the limits placed vooobrazheniyu only heavenly revelation.
You can modify the definition of art differently, requiring the pictures of the living model. But then it turns out that the icons should consider painting the most accurate and highest sense, because its basic model is a God, the Spirit of the living and all the life-giving. (Again, the reservation that not everyone, but only a great painter in the revelation given to him to behold, and open the way to a radiant colors of his forms).

You can finally feel that painting is appropriate to call only that which goes under the brush of artists, which we deem themselves worthy known painters. Then, finally (leaving poboku question "Who are the judges?"), Let everyone keeps his or her opinion ...

Joking aside, but the question here is. Ironically, the topic icons have returned search history limit the freedom of the artist-painter. Is no accident "Black Square" painting is called an icon of the XX century. Since achieving full freedom of movement begins in the opposite direction - to find boundaries in the process of internal self-determination of the artist.

Here's the beginning serious divide between the artists of our time.
Some people do not need any freedom, because they do not know about any serious internal search. This happily arranged mass of trained artists who do not even notice a slave state.
Others are fleeing from freedom, can not stand the confrontation with her. (On this I spoke a little in the theme "The Art of between provocation and cynicism, in particular - in the message

Сообщение от Art-lover

Escape from Freedom

Finally, a very narrow circle of artists who have talent and the courage to attempt to become truly free in his work. It is those few who are allowed to know: the game colors and shapes on canvas carries the possibility of disclosure not only the scope of sense, but of the spirit. And here they are waiting for the opening and stresses that not all are capable of withstanding. Remember the drama of Nicolas de Stael. Those who could bear the infinite power of freedom, waiting for another test - no more like the audience ...

[Allena]

Сообщение от Art-lover

Finally, a very narrow circle of artists who have talent and the courage to attempt to become a truly free in his work. It is those few who are allowed to know: the game colors and shapes on canvas carries the possibility of disclosure not only the scope of sense, but of the spirit. And here they are waiting for the opening and stresses that not all are capable of withstanding. Remember the drama of Nicolas de Stael. Those who could bear the infinite power of freedom, waiting for another test - no more like the audience ...

Returning to the iconography and in anticipation of (but without the fear) strong criticism: In my opinion, this definition is perfectly matched to the iconography and icon painters. State of mind - yes, by definition, congenial audience - of course, and the viewer such a God forbid any creator - artist, poet, musician, etc.

[ВЯЧЕСЛАВ]

Сообщение от Art-lover

No chance, "Black Square" painting is called an icon of the XX century.

Nazyvayut.Vy all understand in the literal sense ....? And when the poetic nature is drawn to the object of his sighs "My angel ...", suspect that this" angel "putting on a coat left wings in the oven .... Unless of course take the purely technical side - paint, brushes, canvas, board, etc. - differences in the creation of paintings and icons offset unless you begin to understand the tonkostyah.Hotya and from them can not get away, there are icons of academic writing and icons painted strictly according kanonu.No even on the first one can not say that "the iconography should consider painting the most accurate and highest sense, that is prev its basic model is a God, the Spirit of the living and all the life-giving. Who have seen the death of God, as God can be a model and how models can be saints if they are visiting vMIRE otherwise, into eternity, and not live in the earth's mortal life, measurable time? And Spirit ....? Orthodox Church has established a canonical image, a certain standard of writing images to retreat from which the icon painter nor an academic nor a canonical letters can not be - or it does not bydet Orthodox icons and paintings on the biblical theme. The icon is supposed to be in the church, where talk of "congeniality viewer does not umestno.V Church has no visitors to understand the museum, gallery, art salon faces splashed out on a wall or their feet" internal search "with nulikami on birochke.

[Allena]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

In the church there is no audience in understanding the museum, gallery, art salon faces splashed out on a wall or their feet "internal search" with nulikami on birochke.

I think is not worth anything and everything to reduce the number of nulikov birochkah even here, the site of investments in works of art. Talk something altogether different. From your point of view, it turns out that the audience in understanding the museum, gallery, art salon - is someone who evaluates the "internal search" on the number of nulikov birochke? In this form, this someone dear Slava, is called the "buyer". And, incidentally, nulikov in the museums there, as well as birochek for them. And, I think, not all go to galleries and art salons exclusively in order to buy or ask the price.

[ВЯЧЕСЛАВ]

Сообщение от Allena

And, incidentally, nulikov in the museums there, as well as birochek for them. And,

Really? "I'm not mistaken, writing, museums, judging by how quickly emptying museums all due to say ... "flooding when pipes break, or irreparable losses due to inadequate funding for maintenance and restoration work and conservation funds." By the way the past has long since bought up for pennies, experts and connoisseurs, and they also resold. And the jobs are, and prices have others. So go the audience "are looking at." And if birochki virtual, then nuliki and other tsifirki for real money, and as a consequence, regular keeper lupaya beautiful eyes, once again, talks about the "old alarms" or lack thereof due to lack of ... etc. the well-known scenario. Incidentally, in this case between painting and iconography is really no difference.

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Сообщение от Allena

and I think, not all go to galleries and art salons exclusively in order to buy or ask the price.

Of course - talk - "hang out." Young artists-lighted, I I know one of Odessa's young and talented - so it is in the background of each photo in reports from vystavok.I not afraid of that vision deteriorates from flares ..... I too go .... yet do not require to produce a certificate of "congeniality" ...

[Allena]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Quote:
Note from Allena
And, I think, not all go to galleries and art salons exclusively in order to buy or ask the price.

Course - talk - "hang out." Young artists-lighted

I wanted to answer - but it became so boring! Leaving.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I know one of the Odessa young and talented - so it is in the background of each photo in reports from exhibitions

Perhaps, reports from the opening day, with the discoveries.
Do not go to the opening and will not see the outbreaks. Yes, and very few people in the "lean" days.

[IrinaC]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

"As if alive" on the icons can not write more because the saints are in the other world, in eternity, and not live terrestrial mortal life, measurable time. .

Priest chastises the artist:
-Son! where you saw angels in the shoes?
-Where are you, Holy Father, seen of angels without shoes?

[Art-lover]

It is tempting to repeat the maneuver Alena elegant, but karma does not allow ...
Moreover, if the issue of honesty, how not to respond.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Nazyvayut.Vy all understand in the literal sense ....?
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Who have seen the death of God as God can be a model?
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The icon is supposed to be in the Church, where talk of "congeniality viewer is not appropriate.

The icons look good and the art museum, and in the church of their appointment and that is to encourage the viewer to "more like" empathy, to catharsis and enlightenment.

If you can not see God, then the icons should be understood in an allegorical illustrative, artistic sense and what you want, but not literally. How people uninformed or unbelievers, and they perceive. The Church considers it as an icon of the miracle of God sight of mortals.

"Black Square" icon called himself Malevich; this feature paintings he emphasized ritual, placing it in the red corner, which is supposed to be icons. In his statements and the notes he attributed to "Square" iconic properties in the literal sense. In his lectures on the art of Malevich called "Square" "the Royal Child", bringing together the "square" with the image of Christ. Suprematism was actually an attempt to create a new iconic canon. (Interestingly, in one of his pamphlets Malevich represented his creation as the embodiment of life, and contrasted his carrion old painting - "mertvopisi.") The famous picture was not time to rethink the author. One result of many years of meditation Malevich on his masterpiece - the association of Squares with aimless unknowable essence of the world and God. Like an icon, "Square" was to give a chance to touch umonepostigaemomu, see the invisible, see the light divine.

"Black Square" as a symbol that has an infinite semantic potential, proved to be a suitable subject for meditation and mystical contemplation of the essence of a watershed event on the 20th century, their significance in human history and the history of art. On the meaning and destiny of man in eternity.
In this capacity, he went down in history, in which he now retains its value for those who tend to think about the profound effect of change in the world.