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[Михалыч]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

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Well, yes, when for some replicable sovfarfor Brzhezitskoy or malyshevoy give 20 or 30 tons of dollars - that's fine , but here - a sensation! Tselkov for a tenner ! And for how much? For the three ? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Brzhezitskaya or Malyshev , sorry,
time - not artists ;
two - mostly - antiques ( over 50 years) ;
three - a " sov.epoha " ( + made ​​in the USSR) ;
four - this is the most sought after positions . I mean - small plastic (because collectors vases, dishes and recovery times less . It's just a base for painting, and even a vase with the original form - still - a record) ;
five - the price is 20-30 , etc. for these authors - yet typical of the pre-crisis period.
six - the authors of these is not, and oc - Thank God - alive. I hope and well. I personally do not know (unfortunately) , but I want - good health and all the best !

Next:
Yes, this auction item where the price can be very successful.
Yes, the oc - So to speak " in the trend " (so far ) .
Yes , this thing could be the target of an actual purchase (for example ) because of the relative cheapness in relation to the real scenic paintings of handwritten . Or, for example as a gift ...

But in the end (which we did not come up with to justify their position:

This course will not be the author's due to the fact that the author of the picture -

NO MODEL engaged in manufacturing vases .
Do not fill it, were intact and did not put on the waste and ( or) irrigation firing.
Did not do his own painting on this vase.
Do not sign it myself .

All of the above - the fact. And if someone can deny being said - I 'll be happy to listen .

So what is there on the oc ? ?
He - the author of the drawing.
It - ( or on behalf of ) :
1 Var. : Made ( and ) a contract with the factory about replicating this .
2 Var. : Sold (s) copyright on the image.

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 17 minutes[/color]

Сообщение от Konstantin

A suspicion that the owner raises the price of its better rates ? And besides, the results of this struggle is not clear Lot sold is real or not ....

Option with muhlyazhem in reserve :
owner puts a reserve of 100 rubles , and he (or his representative) raises rates near the reserve.
The result or purpose :
1. On the excitement ( and in the absence of the second interested party in buying ) , is fed to the desired price .
2 . Gambling is not the real ( overvalued ) and summing up the reserve rate under it, but not leading to a reserve sale - show that demand " large" ))) This ( unsold price) can operate in a real desire to sell . ( Option : This item is worth 100 rubles , put a reserve of 200 and 190 to the sum rate . Item is sold. But the supposedly " real" desire to buy can handle the sale of live supposedly " a little bit of gleaning reserve ." )

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Now we can speculate on the mass production of this or not .

Do not substitute the concept ! The Draw .
Vaz 12 ( poka. And it's not a guarantee that the sales success of their circulation does not increase ) - and that means it copies, though small.

Added after 24 minutes

Сообщение от U_Z

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Maybe to confirm the circulation, O.Tselkov will issue certificates of any of these vases and plates or ...

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Later I will try to set examples of such "certificates".

Added after 28 minutes

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

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Well, they want to sell - sell easily , colleagues in the same or fellow collectors .

Where do the data judgment ( imagination ) ? There is news of the passage of these vases ? Or wait for the " next" , " sales " is not clear at the auction?
There are statistics . So far (as I understand it) - this is the case . For a few examples of statistics .

Added after 33 minutes

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

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Everything is visible, understandable ....

 
What 'show-clear "?
According to my question did not see - that nothing can be seen, and therefore - is not properly understood.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Mikhalych

This item is not COPYRIGHT due to the fact that

You know, Mikhalych, post your messages to all collectors of the eastern prints to be shot.

[Хранитель укропа]

Сообщение от Mikhalych

Brzhezitskaya or Malyshev , sorry,
time - not artists ;
two - mostly - antiques ( over 50 years) ;
three - a " sov.epoha " ( + made ​​in the USSR) ;
four - this is the most sought after positions . I mean - small plastic (because collectors vases, dishes and recovery times less . It's just a base for painting, and even a vase with the original form - still - a record) ;
five - the price is 20-30 , etc. for these authors - yet typical of the pre-crisis period.
six - the authors of these is not, and oc - Thank God - alive. I hope and well. I personally do not know (unfortunately) , but I want - good health and all the best !

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Next:
Yes, this auction item where the price can be very successful.
Yes, the oc - So to speak " in the trend " (so far ) .
Yes , this thing could be the target of an actual purchase (for example ) because of the relative cheapness in relation to the real scenic paintings of handwritten . Or, for example as a gift ...

But in the end (which we did not come up with to justify their position:

This course will not be the author's due to the fact that the author of the picture -

NO MODEL engaged in manufacturing vases .
Do not fill it, were intact and did not put on the waste and ( or) irrigation firing.
Did not do his own painting on this vase.
Do not sign it myself .

All of the above - the fact. And if someone can deny being said - I 'll be happy to listen .

So what is there on the oc ? ?
He - the author of the drawing.
It - ( or on behalf of ) :
1 Var. : Made ( and ) a contract with the factory about replicating this .
2 Var. : Sold (s) copyright on the image.

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 17 minutes[/color]

Option with muhlyazhem in reserve :
owner puts a reserve of 100 rubles , and he (or his representative) raises rates near the reserve.
The result or purpose :
1. On the excitement ( and in the absence of the second interested party in buying ) , is fed to the desired price .
2 . Gambling is not the real ( overvalued ) and summing up the reserve rate under it, but not leading to a reserve sale - show that demand " large" ))) This ( unsold price) can operate in a real desire to sell . ( Option : This item is worth 100 rubles , put a reserve of 200 and 190 to the sum rate . Item is sold. But the supposedly " real" desire to buy can handle the sale of live supposedly " a little bit of gleaning reserve ." )

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 20 minutes[/color]

Do not substitute the concept ! The Draw .
Vaz 12 ( poka. And it's not a guarantee that the sales success of their circulation does not increase ) - and that means it copies, though small.

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 24 minutes[/color]

Later I will try to set examples of such " certificates" .

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 28 minutes[/color]

Where do the data judgment ( imagination ) ? There is news of the passage of these vases ? Or wait for the " next" , " sales " is not clear at the auction?
There are statistics . So far (as I understand it) - this is the case . For a few examples of statistics .

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 33 minutes[/color]

 What 'show - clear "? According to my question did not see - that nothing can be seen , and therefore - is not properly understood .

The questions are very accurate and the information blockade against this background that looks staged .

For the development of such initiatives is the right auction obvious that requires trust.
This will give the trading of respect, respectable solidity and solidarity of confidence.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Mikhalych ; 2809991 "

This item is not for the reason COPYRIGHT

Сообщение от Wladzislaw; 2810161 "

You know, Mikhalych , post your messages to all collectors of the eastern prints to be shot .

And, apparently, to all owners of objects Koons , Hirst , Murakami , Gromli ,
Yes, from museums to throw out all of Kabakov , Ai Weiwei , all neon Kossuth , Yoko Ono, Anish Kapoor as not made ​​by the hands of these authors.

And what to do , Mikhailovich, with video art ? There's also often use other people shooting footage of their famous films . So that there is video art . What to do with and monuments in the cities , they also make the whole teams.

[манна]

Сообщение от Guardian of dill 2811501

information blockade against this background that looks staged.

Guardian of dill, me more about the "staging blockade" explain pliz ...
do not understand what you mean.

[U_Z]

Сообщение от Mikhalych ; 2809991 "

Later I will try to set examples of such " certificates ".

Mikhalych , agree that if the bottom of the vase /plates have been following ( give the example of the desired maximum) :

- Fig. O.Tselkova "the title of the picture " ( handwritten artist works)
- Author of " painting " : such and such name ( handwritten artist works)
- The year of item creation ( handwritten artist works)
- Manufacturer's brand name for luxury products (such as a stamp with gold paint )
- The circulation , for example , 2/12 ( handwritten artist works)
- Number of the figure , for example , № 5 ( handwritten artist works)
- O.Tselkova autograph (original )

some of this data may be located under the coating.

+ Types of certificate from the manufacturer to the history of the project and the author's signature /confirmation O.Tselkova .

+ Beautiful gift box (I was told it is).

You would have a claim to such products ?

Personally, I - no.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2811591 "

And, apparently, all the owners of the objects Koons , Hirst , Murakami , Gromli ,
Yes, from museums to throw out all of Kabakov , Ai Weiwei , all neon Kossuth , Yoko Ono, Anish Kapoor as not made ​​by the hands of these authors.

And what Mikhailovich , with video art ? There's also often use other people shooting footage of their famous films . So that there is video art . What to do with and monuments in the cities ? they also make the whole teams.

Cyril Syzransky , is a variant of " artist and /or his workshop ". Do not distort so clumsy.

[манна]

How was the second auction?


Somebody prices ozvuchte pliz ...

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от manna

How was your second auction?


Somebody prices ozvuchte pliz ...

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Did well.
Now press release coordinate, all prices will be there.
The auction lasted for 2 hours longer than planned - people were fighting for a plate of Grisha Bruskin.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Vladimir

people were fighting for a plate of Grisha Bruskin.

There was an intriguing story - first, all with rates sat down in an ambush, but at the end of the battle.
<! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

but at the end of the battle

Yes bet made at the last minute, as if the rules did not read the auction is automatically extended to the end and slovchit not succeed.

Added after 10 minutes
By the way the last minutes of trading took place in the presence of one of the members of the forum, it is for the skeptics.
All have seen with our eyes and our reaction to the results as well.