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По умолчанию New Patriarch

Metropolitan Kirill became the 16th Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia

As aptly said in some post Vladimir - the one who led the funeral liturgy, and he became patriarch. What opinion?



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So in general secretaries have been instituted.



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Then what - churches, elections, Ivan lay? True Churov helped them with their ballot boxes, then all of чесному.



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Sergeyitch,

Kirill very strong diplomat, but we need to develop links with other faiths, or they will eat us. Since the influence of religion grows, it can be through an agreement with Europe and with Asia. There are many policies do not list all at once.



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In this fundamental error, not diplomacy, and faith must establish. All the rest will follow by itself. I was so interested in all the hierarchs of the baptism of diving under the ice?



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По умолчанию Patriarch Cyril renounced personal life

Patriarch Cyril renounced personal life

Since his enthronement in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior on Sunday the 16 th primate ROC Cyril, in his first remarks, the Patriarch said that his life and he is without the rest belong to God and the Church. Besides its basic task patriarch sees in maintaining the unity of the Church.
"There is not and can not be in the life of the patriarch is nothing personal, private. He and his entire life without balance belong to God and the Church", - said Kirill. According to him, the Lord hath laid on him "a heavy cross, the performance of which requires the full commitment and dedication to the service itself, to which he was called upon today at the time of construction of the patriarchal throne.
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Great paraman, which is one of the distinguishing features of the patriarchal vestments, as recalled by the patriarch Cyril, symbolizes "the willingness to be faithful to God until the end." The patriarch, according to a new primate, is intended to take care of the suffering, the weak and undecided, reports RIA Novosti.
Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Kirill said that he would particularly care for the spiritual and moral state of youth. "The subject of our special concern will be the youth," - said the 16th primate of the Orthodox Church. According to him, "in an era of moral relativism, when the propaganda of violence and depravity steals the soul, the Church can not wait, but must go to meet young people. He noted that the Church is called to help young people to find faith in God, the meaning of life, and with it, and true happiness.
Apart from that, patriarh of Moscow and All Russia, Kirill said that he would keep the unity of the Church. "Patriarch - the guardian of the internal unity of the Church and with the brethren in the episcopate - the guardian of the purity of faith" - he said, noting that the task of the patriarch - not to allow divisions and false doctrines. Differences of opinion, he said, "should not weaken the overall efforts to build the house of God", all must be love.
The patriarch also said Kirill, a defender outside the canonical boundaries of the Church "and should, while respecting the sovereignty of independent states formed in the space of historical Russia, at the same time take care to strengthen the spiritual ties between the peoples of these countries in the name of saving the values of the Orthodox civilization of Holy Russia" .
The new primate of the Orthodox Church and confirmed the readiness for dialogue with other Orthodox churches. Sixteenth patriarch said he intends to take care of the unity of Orthodoxy in the world. "Primate of the Orthodox Church, each designed to take care of the unity of universal Orthodoxy", - said the patriarch Cyril.
He said the commitment to "open dialogue with sister churches" and pledged readiness to strengthen the unity and openness to cooperation primates and representatives of all 14 local Orthodox churches in the world, who specially arrived in Moscow for the enthronement of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia. The Patriarch thanked all those present for a joint prayer and reminded the call of the Apostle Paul to rejoice, to improve, be comforted, be of one mind and true.
Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev has congratulated the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Kirill coming to the patriarchal throne, and expressed hope for a full-fledged dialogue solidarity of the Russian Orthodox Church and State. "This is a huge event in the life of our country, in the lives of all Orthodox peoples. This event, which opens a new era and the development of Orthodoxy in our country, and provides, we hope, and new conditions for the full solidarity of dialogue between the Russian Orthodox Church and the State" - concluded the president.


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And from the Odessa diocese in the elections was delegated to the Fuhrer of the local party "Rodina" composed of criminals, cops, gebeshnikov, City Council Deputy Markov over quadrupeds, among the "believers" to pogonyalu " Maradona ".....



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criminals, cops, gebeshnikov
At the expense of cops and KGB men do not know, but the criminals are believers, so that normally, the most faithful and sent.



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interesting article about the new patriarch:
Patriarch Cyril - KGB agent, a billionaire and the Orthodox "hawk»
 
 
Chairman of the Department for External Church Relations of Moscow Patriarchate, a permanent member of the Holy Synod, Metropolitan of Smolensk and Kaliningrad. Honorary and active member of many academies. Most Orthodox of the citizen of Russia on behalf of Cyril Gundyaev, who became the patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, knew no more of the above summary of details.
 
The attendants, in truth, the church is not accustomed to revealing details of his private life, attitudes and preferences. In the case of Cyril, we have just the opposite situation. He not only made no secret of his radical religious views, but also actively disseminated in Russia and abroad. He became the first church hierarch of Russia who had taken up an author's television programs. Word of the Shepherd ", together with the permanent host and one of the main candidates for the patriarchal throne by ORT regularly watched millions of believers.
 
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put forward their ideas revolve around the transformation of the Church in this State in the state to ensure its financial, political and organizational. That Cyril demanded transfer of Russians' income tax in the budget of religious organizations, including the Russian Orthodox Church. That he was actively promote the active intervention of the Church in social life and in politics, including its impact on power from a position of priesthood above the kingdom.
 
The only thing that has been achieved Cyril - the creation of paramilitary "orthodox body" within the pro-Kremlin youth movement "Nashi". During the Council of Bishops in the Church of Christ the Savior (Moscow) "Nashi" together with the police guarding the nearby areas, not allowed out of the underground supporters disgraced Metropolitan Diomede and hindered the work of journalists.
 
Speaking in a solemn speech on the occasion of his inauguration Patriarch called himself a "defender outside the canonical borders of the Church.
 
"This ministry is of particular importance that arose after the formation of independent states in the space of historical Russia. While respecting their sovereignty and caring for the welfare of each of these states, the patriarch at the same time called upon to take care of preserving and strengthening the spiritual ties between their peoples in the name of saving the system of values which are the world one Orthodox civilization of Holy Russia ", - quotes the words of the new head of the ROC portal Forum.msk.
 
Considering the task and concern for the unity of universal Orthodoxy, he assured, that will always be open "to dialogue with sister churches and to join efforts to help strengthen and improve the pan-Orthodox cooperation, greater coordination of pastoral and missionary efforts."
 
It is significant that the words of the new patriarch of the unity of the canonical territory of listening to only one president - Dmitry Medvedev. Apparently, the abandonment of the struggle for the patriarchal throne of Kiev, Metropolitan Vladimir will mean that the ROC continues its path to the state church of Russia, and nothing more. With this vision and made himself Medvedev. Imperial plans to Cyril he clearly does not like. "The work between the state and the church will be in demand in the name of our country and all the Orthodox peoples", - Putin said dryly.
 
Countryman Putin
 
According to the official biography of the patriarch was born on November 20, 1946 in Leningrad in a family repressed in the Church. Hereditary priest.
 
The school did not join in the religious beliefs of the Pioneers and Komsomol. He became a hero of anti-religious publications in the city newspaper.
 
In 15 years, left school and worked in a geological expedition.
 
1969 - graduated with honors from the Leningrad Theological Academy.
 
June 1, 1970 received the degree of candidate of theology for the essay "The formation and development of the church hierarchy and the doctrine of the Orthodox Church on its exceptional character.
 
April 3, 1969, Metropolitan of Leningrad and Novgorod Nicodemus (Mouth) tonsured a monk, April 7, 1969 ordained deacon, June 1, 1969 - in the priesthood.
 
After the academy was left at a professorial Fellow LDA, professor of dogmatic theology and assistant inspector of LDA and C. Since August 30, 1970 - personal secretary to Metropolitan Nicodemus (Oral), chairman of the Department for External Church Relations (DECR). Since then, Cyril is the original card of the ROC for the West. Like many of his opponents, foreign visits of the patriarch were directly related to his work in the KGB. In this department Gundyaeva known under the pseudonym "Mikhailov".
 
In 1972 he accompanied Patriarch Pimen in his trip to the Middle East, as well as in Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Greece and Romania.
 
In November 1975, at the Ecumenical Assembly in Nairobi condemned the letter dissident on. Gleb Yakunin the persecution of believers in the USSR and denied the facts of violation of rights of believers.
 
On November 18, 1976 to October 12, 1978 - Under the Patriarchal Exarch of Western Europe (report from November 4, 1976 Metropolitan Nicodemus (mouth), the Patriarchal Exarch of Western Europe, the need for the fifth myocardial appoint a deputy - a proposal candidacy of Cyril).
 
October 12, 1978 dismissed from the post of Deputy Patriarchal Exarch of Western Europe and was appointed manager of the Patriarchal parishes in Finland (okormljal them until 1984).
 
From 27 to 29 March 1979 participated in the Consultation "Responsibility of Churches USA and the USSR for disarmament.
 
From 12 to 24 July of that year, led a delegation of the ROC to the World Conference on "Faith, Science and Future" in Cambridge (USA).
 
December 26, 1984 appointed Archbishop of Smolensk and Viazemsky. As the Internet-edition "Stringer", translated in Smolensk was archbishop for Kirill, reflecting a decrease of disgrace by state supervisory bodies.
 
"... About the reasons for which he had been disgraced, There are various rumors. Some attribute this to his reformist activity in the area of worship: he not only practiced the use of Russian language in worship, but also served as a vigil in the evening rather than morning, as is customary in the Orthodox Church to this day. Another reason for the elimination of Metropolitan Kirill of the "northern capital" of Russia called his refusal to vote against the resolution of the Central Committee of the World Council of Churches, condemning the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Meanwhile, "for" he did not vote, only "abstain", which, however, in those days, too, was almost a feat "- Natalia Babasyan wrote in his article" Star of Metropolitan Kirill (Russian Journal, 01.04.1999) .
 
Cyril himself believed that he fell victim to a private ruling Communist Party Central Committee for the Suppression of religiosity, adopted on the eve of the celebration of 1000 anniversary of the Baptism of Russia, for excessive activity on the post rector of the Theological Academy: during his principalship was open access to the LDA for the graduates of secular universities, and in 1978 - created a regency office, on which to act and women.
 
On November 14, 1989 - Chairman of the Department for External Church Relations (DECR) and a permanent member of the Holy Synod. This appointment is in fact indicative of his removal from public disgrace.
 
On July 20, 1990 - Administrator of the Patriarchal parishes in Finland.
 
February 25, 1991 was elevated to the rank of Metropolitan.
 
A colleague of Putin
 
However, if you trust the message of Russia and the world press, not everything in life so sacrificially Cyril and heroically.
 
In 1996, joined the board of directors of the bank Peresvet serving the financial interests of the Patriarchate. According Moscow journalists, from this moment, the financial and property abuse Metropolitan.
 
In September 1996 the newspaper "Moscow News» (N34) published a report that the DECR, headed by Metropolitan Kirill, in 1994-96. organized in the years 1994-96 the import of excise goods (primarily cigarettes), bypassing customs duties, under the guise of humanitarian aid, amounting to tens of millions of dollars in quantities of tens of thousands of tons. Charges were supported by other popular secular newspapers (in particular, "Moskovsky Komsomolets" - journalist Sergei Bychkov). It is believed that a tacit initiator of these charges was then managing the affairs of MPs Solnechnogorskij Archbishop Sergius (Fomin). To investigate these reports has been established internal church committee headed by Archbishop Sergius (Fomin).
 
However, the position of Metropolitan Kirill, who has denied the deliberate importation of cigarettes and said that the church could not refuse an imposed her gift, was supported by the Bishops' Council of the ROC in 1997. Church managed to earn several hundred million dollars, and the state Cyril then valued at half a billion dollars. Currently, it reaches, according to some 4 billion
 
In May 2001, that same journalist, "Moskovsky Komsomolets" Sergey Bychkov published an article "Metropolitan of snuff," which repeated the earlier allegations against Metropolitan Kirill on the import of tobacco, as well as the first publicly identified with the figure of Cyril WCC "agent Mikhailov, mentioned in the previously published materials of the Supreme Council ( "the Commission Jakunina-Ponomareva") on the relationship of the KGB and the Orthodox Church in Soviet times.
 
Lives in the official residence of the DECR in Silver Bor (Moscow).
 
In 2002, bought a penthouse in the House on the waterfront overlooking the Cathedral of Christ the Savior (flat registered for at Gundyaeva Vladimir Mikhailovich, "what is the corresponding entry in the inventory sheet» (The New Times. № 50 [96] on December 15, 2008).
 
In the media appeared "information about buying a villa in Switzerland, Metropolitan" (ibid.).
 
According to Alexander Soldatov, editor of the prestigious magazine portal-Credo.Ru, on religious and ecclesiastical life, Metropolitan Kirill - active and experienced businessman. His interests include gambling, the oil business, trade in metals and automobiles.
 
On its Web site "Antikompromat" political analyst and researcher Vladimir Pribylovsky reference agent "Mikhailov" in the materials the commission Jakunina-Ponomareva.

January 1973: "In Thailand and India to participate in the work of the WCC (World Council of Churches - RUpor) were derived agents of the KGB" Master "and" Mikhailov ". These agents exerted beneficial influence on the work of the Council and presented the material of interest on the operational situation in the WCC and characterizing data on individual figures. (...) Deputy. 4 Division 5 Chief of the KGB of the USSR CM Colonel Fitsev.

In the particular definition of the Supreme Council stated: "The Commission draws the attention of the leadership of the ROC on an unconstitutional use of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the KGB of the USSR a number of church bodies for their own purposes through the recruitment and infiltration of these agents of the KGB. Thus, through the Department for External Church Relations traveled abroad and performed the task management KGB agents identified by the pseudonyms of "Svyatoslav", "Alamant", "Mikhailov", "Topaz", "Nesterovich", "Kuznetsov", "Ognev", "Esaulenko "and others. The nature of orders executed shows unseparated from the State Department said, about his transformation into the hidden center of the KGB agents among the believers.

 
Hobbies Gundyaeva atypical for a church environment - it is a fan of alpine skiing (you bought a rather big house in Switzerland), purebred dogs, water skiing and speed driving.
 
According to the version of journalists Ogonyok, Cyril "for the past 30 years, attributed the most cordial relations" with Lydia Mikhailovna Leonova, daughter of the cook of the Leningrad Regional Committee of the CPSU.
 
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4 billion ?????? not too much?
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