The artist Leonid Tishkov, spoke in support of the arrested activists Greenpeace

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And the building of the Leninsky District Court of Murmansk, where the arrested activists Greenpeace:

After looking at it, it is clear that in the Arctic will transform our "experts" from his beushnyh Norwegian oil platform "Prirazlomnaya" .
Zasrali Russia - zasrem and Artkiku !

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from his beushnyh Norwegian oil platform "Prirazlomnaya ».

That's it ... beushnyh ! , There is nothing to create accidents on beushnyh stations.
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Once again agree with Latynina :

I've got some questions , because the first question is " How do I respond to provocation ? " The problem is that the provocations of this kind do not have a good answer . That is, some people climb onto the platform , which , by the way , is a very dangerous object . Already one of their stay , really , and the strange activity can cause the very ecological catastrophe against which they are protesting . They climb, they do not stop and they say , "We - are peaceful, and those who want to stop us , the ones - the bloody regime ." Well, in a strange way . You imagine that you live in an apartment , you - Ivan Pupkin . To you climb out of the window well-trained climber, because it is clear that people who climb on the platform in the Arctic waters , they are well prepared. If Mr. Smith does not do anything out of the window to him climb , break his tent home and say, " This is a protest , because you , Ivan Pupkin , a scoundrel ." And Ivan , like, out in the cold , right? He smashed home a tent, he can not cook there own eggs .

If he calls the police and deliver these people to the police , saying , "You - Thieves " and so on , they say, " We were peaceful, we just wanted to protest that Ivan Ivanovich - the scoundrel ."

That is , here , the provocation of this kind is not a good answer. If you give 15 days , they go heroes , victims , and what exactly wanted. If you give them 2 years , kind of like a lot for a peaceful protest .

Actually, this provocation is different from a meaningful dialogue . If people want negotiation, they always leave the position for the opposite side . If people do not want to fundamentally negotiations , and only want to humiliate the opposing party and put it in an impossible situation , then it is called a provocation , right? It's like Hamas rockets . Here , Hamas launches rockets at Israel . What to do? Did not answer - more missiles fly , sooner or later something will fall into a peaceful home. Answer - you get into the house with the children , on the roof of which is installing a missile, or you blame the fact that you got .

After all , in fact , last year, Greenpeace has already climbed to the platform , and then the authorities have done nothing at all . Anyway, they were to blame.

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Now, that's the first thing. Here , Voytenko wrote that Greenpeace had to give 15 days and release them , Behold, Voytenko is the answer to a question, and I have not.

The second question is - extremely unpleasant question about Denis Sinyakova that I actually ... The first blog I read about what happened on the platform Prirazlomnaya year ago and now it was just a blog Denis Sinyakova , and he struck me as an activist blog . That is, it was a blog activist who wrote a fairly peaceful grinpisovtsy hooks stormed the platform , and these bloody border guards somehow resisted . That is, I was under the impression the person understands what he writes ? Yes ?

Naturally, the person is entitled to such a position. But for such a position should be held accountable. And the problem is that, as I understand it, Sinjakov one in two people - he , on the one hand, the photographer, and, on the other hand , an activist . If it were possible to put Sinyakova activist and photographer Sinyakova - let home , I would have been there is for what Sinyakova and photographer to go home . In the current situation, I do not know the answer .

The third thing I want to say . Is the economic side of the issue . On it I have a proposition . This judgment is that the extraction of oil in the Russian Arctic waters - is another Shtokman or , if you prefer, there is another Olympics , the Universiade .

Remember, Putin was running Shtokman both written sack , offered to buy all that we have a unique gas field ? And it seemed that Russia will get it for the whole world and all the gas network in Europe. Then the price of gas has gone down , Stockman does not pay off at a price below $ 250 per thousand cubic meters , and we hear nothing of the Shtokman project . That is , from my point of view , the fascination of this Arctic oil - is another mirage of Putin's regime , " set Europe on its knees . We finally found the goose that lays the golden eggs , " Well, that's addicted to it as the medieval government addicted to search for the philosopher's stone , which finally solve all the financial problems of the country.

Already at the moment it all looks very sad, because the platform Prirazlomnaja already constructed in 1995 , is worth $ 3 billion. In 2002, it became clear that Sevmash , a famous quotes, notorious Sevmash can not build it properly . Therefore bought decommissioned platform 1984 birth west , cut the top and bottom prisobachil on this platform Prirazlomnaya this one written off the top of the platform Hutton. There, as I understand it , 80 %of the supplied equipment - there Gazprom itself complains returned marriage .

And as I said , from my point of view, from the point of view of the economy is going to end as Stockman ended with shale gas , and that's going to end this Arctic oil . When will produce shale oil , the price will fall. Well , of course, there vsobachat billions , and it is a scam like the Olympics or Universiade . Billions neokupaemy .

But Greenpeace is protesting not against the economy, against the fact that here these bad guys will contaminate the Arctic, which, incidentally , may well be , and generally zateplilas planet.

And that's what I have already said many times , the basic thing. Because I was just talking about Islamic fundamentalism as one of the stories of serious ideological stories that threaten modern civilization as well as socialism threatened her at the end of XIX century.

Another idea that threatens modern civilization is, of course , the idea that all the ills of modern humanity associated with environmental pollution . This ekofundamentalizm , which unlike the ideology of Islamism is respectable , his followers are taught to university departments , preach from the pages of newspapers, have , by the way , a strong position in all kinds of bureaucracies. Moreover, we note that these people are fully integrated into the global bureaucratic establishment that they own massive arsenal of brainwashing , they collect donations from millions of useful idiots . But at the same time for some reason they have positioned themselves as fighters against the establishment.

Here I would like to say a few serious fundamental things. First . According ekofundamentalistam our technological civilization poisons the environment. That is, the default is that the pre-technological civilization itself and do not poison the environment .

So I can give you dozens of examples of the use of pre-technological civilizations are extremely harmful technologies . For example , a lead water pipe from the Romans . Or arsenic bronze, which in the IV millennium in some regions did with the addition of arsenic instead of tin. By the way, the arsenic in the XIX century, with the added pleasure in wallpaper . That is, there were bed patients in England, which carried out and their status instantly improved, simply because they are carried out of the room, where were the evaporation of arsenic.

Let's remember there icons that kissing during epidemics. By the way, one of the most carcinogenic substances in the world is the smoke from the hearth. That does not mean there is that in the Upper Palaeolithic of cancer kills more people than now. Simply, they were dying of other causes before the time to die from cancer.

That is, I would like to emphasize that the pre-industrial civilization are extremely harmful technologies, and the other way around , only a technological situation can understand why not have , say, the use of lead plumbing .

The second. According to the ecological fundamentalism , modern civilization is destroying nature. By default, the pre-technological civilization is living with the latter was in harmony. Reply. Human history is dotted with fragments of pre-technological civilizations , died as a result of environmental disasters . That's all ancient agricultural regions of Mesopotamia to Central Asia - is an example of an ecological catastrophe : digging channels zasolyalas soil .

There is a civilization of the Anasazi Indians , who a thousand years ago in what is now Colorado and New Mexico built a stone house on 4 floors high. She also died as a result of environmental disaster , because the Anasazi were located in river valleys. With the increase in population valley swung open , and then throws open the elephant . At some point it happens landslide , slope crawled into the valley, field and perished on the slopes and in the valley , overcrowding , lack of food , classic Malthus cannibalism . That these same four - story buildings , archeologists have found cooked and sucked in a human bone.

A similar scenario Mayan civilization collapsed . Easter Island at the time of check-in was covered with lush forests . People have plagued the forest on the field , in addition to the rollers statues that each competing clan tried to make pogromadnee . The drier the island became , the greater became the statue. The higher the statue became , the more trees cut down on the rollers . The more trees cut down on the rollers, especially since getting a treeless island . Again, the result was a clean Malthus , war, cannibalism . The biggest statue, by the way , and has remained nedovyrublennoy in the rock.

Here , it is very helpful to understand that , on the contrary , technological civilization is often transforms the nature of a plus sign , because, for example , Palestine at the beginning of XX century in its way, the natural state consists of a desert in half with the malarial swamps . And now Israel - a country garden . Yes , indeed, anywhere in Europe IV century it was a thousand- gloomy forest. That is , tell you how pleasant to live ? In this forest , or when you are driving on the road, around which the rhododendrons bloom , rhododendrons field stands for ? Once again, the lack of technology does not guarantee that civilization will not perish from the environmental disaster. Exactly the opposite : it ensures that a civilization can not avoid it and anticipate.

Finally , I would have noticed one more thing that is a European civilization that has escaped the over-population and the concomitant environmental disaster. Well , first of all , of course, due to natural conditions, because it , unlike the Third Dynasty of Ur was not necessary to take care of the soil salinization of irrigation canals . And secondly, due to the constant wars and epidemics . During one only 30 years of war in Germany killed up to 40 %of the population . Third, due to emigration to the New World . Nevertheless , at the beginning of the industrial revolution , Europe was populated by scary . England is the same that was completely covered with forests so that the protein could thwart England, going down to the ground, were all cut down on coal for metallurgy. And , in fact , Britain would wait degradation and overpopulation , if a charcoal industry has not passed on the stone , and thus escaped the environmental disaster.

That's very important to understand that if civilization is to produce metal with charcoal instead of coke , used in biofuels instead of oil , it would have had to cut down all the rain forests , all national parks, dig up every inch of the Earth's land area , it still would not be enough of the 10th of the energy consumed today . And about what fate awaited the end of the XIX century Europe without non-renewable energy sources , it is possible to imagine , looking at Japan , which by the end of the XIX century lived at the brink of ecological disaster , where all the forests were cut down, the animals have actually been there. Even the samurai moved on foot.

That is, these are the pre-technological civilization , which, in general, were based on the symbiosis of man with the animal , that , by the middle of the XIX century in Japan, all this disappeared , because the field was fertilized in a human feces , used exclusively peasants own muscle power . Circle closes , resources are not enough to support animal life. Here , in all of these ancient societies such as overpopulated China, Japan and India, the farmer in mid XIX century lived less than a thousand years ago. That is, this is what I really want to emphasize that non-renewable sources of energy - this is not the sources of environmental catastrophe , is what allowed Europe in the XIX century to avoid Malthusian humanitarian and including an environmental disaster .

And finally , most importantly, children. And if we have to give up something , in favor of what? Where is the golden age ? That is , perhaps , the ideal is an agricultural civilization ? But an agricultural civilization in no way does not live in the original harmony with nature. Agricultural civilization cut down the forest, pollutes the soil. Slash-and- burn agriculture - one of the most destructive environmental practices , has ever engaged people. I 'm not saying that there are 6 billion people can not feed themselves at the expense of a prehistoric farming.

That is, if the agricultural technology so destructive, perhaps we should go back to the era of hunting and gathering . Here's the problem . Hunting homo sapiens - is also one of the biggest destroyers of the environment. Infiltrating in Australia and North America , hunters slaughtered a thousand years there the megafauna , which could not then tamed. In the north of Europe , they destroyed a mammoth. Well, then give up the hunt? Practice only gathering ? However , hunting - this is our lesson with chimpanzees. Chimpanzees , in fact, in principle , even though feed on the leaves , but they just catch small game , and the male gives the female flesh in exchange for copulation . Apparently , that's out of this habit and increased human hunting.

That is , therefore, not necessary to give up the hunt , and of guns and fire . But here's the problem , people used fire before became man. Brain - costly organ , it consumes 30 %of the required human energy. Its development was made possible only after cooking on the fire allowed man to absorb much of previously unavailable to him calories. Fire known for at least a million years , Homo sapiens - 140,000 years ago.

With the tools of the same. The first weapon appeared 2.6 million years ago , Homo sapiens was not. They are made of even being unreasonable , for which the production of these guns was part of his extended phenotype for beaver part of the extended phenotype is the ability to build the dam.

That is, it is here that we come to the very rocky ground, because it turns out that the genus Homo began to change the nature , invented the fire and began to use the tool before the appearance of new Sapiens . Changes in the environment - it's part of our extended phenotype , it is the same as an integral feature of our wings of a bird .

 
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nothing to create accidents on beushnyh stations.

Hang a banner - in an accident?
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You have not seen the video clip, filmed by the workers on this "Prirazlomnaya"?
There is total darkness.
As it has not yet sunk - the question.

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And I think this is common knowledge , or am I wrong ?

It seems to me that in the survey of every 100 people can say anything intelligible or explain no more than 3 - 5%. It is important to understand what will be the statistical sample is taken and from what social strata . The standard of living , a common culture , their citizenship is not sufficient.
And in the province especially people living very difficult and completely different values.
Although recently , for example, fashion historian Alexandre Vassiliev in an interview , said:
- " However, I still believe that the standard of living in Russia at the moment is higher than in Western Europe. Having lived 30 years in France, I can not exactly say that the average Russian family lives brighter and richer families of French .
- On what grounds do you judge ?
- As the number of cars on housing , places of recreation , by the amount of money that goes to children in the closet, in repair, in jewelry. It is almost unthinkable in Europe - particularly in Spain, Italy and Greece. But in our country there is a surprising desire , not characteristic of Europeans: live impractical. We do not know when they say, buy yourself a black jacket , you'll wear it forever , because it is practical and convenient ... " .

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Hang Banner - in an accident?
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You have not seen the video clip, filmed by the workers on this "Prirazlomnaya"?
There is total darkness.
As it has not yet sunk - the question.

And what kind of movie?

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But in our country there is a surprising desire, not characteristic of Europeans: live impractical.
We do not know when they say, buy yourself a black jacket, you'll wear it forever, because it is practical and convenient ... ".

Because everyone has got a freebie and we do not even understand.

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Because everyone has got a freebie and we do not even understand .

Gets a freebie crooks .
For the rest paid polegshih generation relatives , and do a lot.
And it is " ALL" . You got a lot of "only" ?

Absolutely crazy talk , comparing the life of European " average family " and Russian . It's easy - cretinism , calculated on the population not having a weight even passports .

It is instructive to compare the human remains inside the perimeter , with older people from outside to talk " about the colorful life ."
Although the country where the probability of surviving to pensions lower than the probability of guessing the eagle \\\\ tails , there is the need to sweeten the idea of ​​live - bad, but a few - tupleniem about " brightness ."

While it is true , in one sovdepovtsam lucky. I must say thank you for the law - Khasbulatov received apartments in the property. Therefore , against the background of extinction, is well provided with flats and legacies .
What makes life easier .

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Alexander Skaridov - Dean of the Faculty of Maritime Law, University of sea and river fleet of Admiral Makarov in St. Petersburg , LL.D. , professor, author of the manual " Law of the Sea . Tutorial to Master ":

As for the action taken in respect of the ship Arctic Sunrise, then the law of the sea and international jurisprudence is quite explicitly require the immediate release of the ship after a deposit or other security.

On the basis of Article 292 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea , in the case where the State party's authorities detained a vessel flying the flag of another country - party to the Convention , and within 10 days can not agree on satisfying the parties pledge or other security , the exemption may be submitted to any court or tribunal agreed by the parties .

The court or tribunal shall promptly review the application for release on the merits. After giving the bond or other financial security determined by the court or tribunal , the authorities of the detaining State should immediately release the ship and its crew . Similar provisions are contained in Article 4 of the "International Convention on Arrest of Ships" in 1999 .

Russia strongly supported the Convention's provisions specified when required at the Australian release of the vessel "Volga" , was detained in 2002 , but in the case of the Arctic Sunrise has decided to apply a different standard .

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You have not seen the video clip , filmed by the workers on this " Prirazlomnaya" ? There is total darkness . As it has not yet sunk - the question .

Never seen before. But you believe that " there is total darkness ," and in this case, quite a banner to sink and

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zasrat and Artkiku ! Hooray !

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