About restoration techniques (Separation /Transfer) - Страница 2 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Stuart · 26.10.2011, 00:13

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Virtual - two (work), actually - one

And the problem of sticking a label).

Santa · 26.10.2011, 00:15

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theme quite relevant,

Yes, I agree.

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is particularly common among artists of the Soviet period, with 50g.,

With graphics Z. Serebryakova, K. Lebedev there were similar moments.

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Peter · 26.10.2011, 00:16

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The problem sticking a label).

Write-

> "diptych".

Stuart · 26.10.2011, 00:29

Well!
Thank you for your pleasant communication, I think this topic is not closed,

P.S.
Now what ponabral some literature on the restoration, I'll meet, if I find something about this area, be sure to lay out the information!

Santa · 26.10.2011, 01:11

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Now what ponabral some literature on the restoration, I'll meet, if I find something about this area, be sure to lay out the information!

Absolutely!

Interesting information are always happy to

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olnev · 28.10.2011, 18:22

Stuart, the problem sounds good, but not to be solved. In the world of restoration practice, there are cases when the image was transferred to a new foundation, but that those cases when you need to specify the thickness and the word "image", almost all of these precedents - it happens with the transfer of the frescoes. A mural painted with paint as it is known, but in fact the paint is absorbed into the lime plaster, plaster of something that's usually separated.

In the book of Filatova, "Restoration of the mural oil painting" (easy to find, reprinted many times) are considered different cases for the transfer of the paint layer, but it is those cases where the paint layer and the base is already apart and adhesion tends to zero. Especially those cases where removal is not possible basis, and the state of the premises in tears (usually problems with the roof, civil works, as a consequence - not compatible with life swings in humidity-temperature conditions). Losses are inevitable with such a transfer and large, this is an extreme measure.

On. If you make out the points. Canvas covered with gesso, typically with brush and thin. The paint layer is very thin physically. If this temperature it is all absorbed by the priming and is a thin film on top, if the oil - also absorbed, but less, and the film dozens of times thicker. But still very thin, usually less than 0.5 mm. That is a bunch of + gesso paint layer is very strong and in fact is the "picture".

The question that then you can share? Where in the divide? If you try to dissolve the gesso, which is possible, then the inevitable losses, both the paint layer will depart. Mechanical actions are excluded. Plywood on a temporary surface in theory possible, but the flip side, again, will be damaged. A gesso usually so fused with a layer of colorful, they almost two-layer unit.

The problem has no solution.

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.10.2011, 20:02

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canvas cover gesso

In painting the familiar word "ground".

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olnev · 28.10.2011, 22:01

Cyril Syzran, yes . But in terms of the restorer 's all primer, for example , many artists in different periods of the show had a habit of white gesso paint in one convenient it a color . That is, we regard this case and gesso and paint a thin layer of dubbing as a primer . So I elaborated . And it is not always a gesso ground, and it is not always identical in composition , but there is a countdown of the most common material. And every action begins with research .

In any case , the original issue was not resolved.

Stuart · 29.10.2011, 00:43

olnev,

Thank you for the informative answer!

Павел Морозов · 29.11.2011, 01:59

Perform such work is possible. It all depends on the quality of the canvas sizing , and state of the soil layer to the picturesque . 1. First you need to properly seal the painting tissue paper pretty strong glue. 2. Then , it is necessary to weaken the link with the ground cloth, moistened it (Method must be selected ). 3. One side of the picture pasted , reversible adhesive, on a plane. 4. We are trying to divide pasted onto the plane of the canvas painting . (with a slow and uniform folding canvas). 5. Painting, the rest on the plane , duplicate on canvas .
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To perform this work , you must have a restoration skill. This is only a scheme of work. Everything is decided by the situation.

28.10.2011, 18:22	Язык оригинала: Русский #16
olnev Пользователь Регистрация: 15.10.2010 Адрес: antiqnuvo.ru Сообщений: 37 Спасибо: 19 Поблагодарили 57 раз(а) в 19 сообщениях Репутация: 114	Stuart, the problem sounds good, but not to be solved. In the world of restoration practice, there are cases when the image was transferred to a new foundation, but that those cases when you need to specify the thickness and the word "image", almost all of these precedents - it happens with the transfer of the frescoes. A mural painted with paint as it is known, but in fact the paint is absorbed into the lime plaster, plaster of something that's usually separated. In the book of Filatova, "Restoration of the mural oil painting" (easy to find, reprinted many times) are considered different cases for the transfer of the paint layer, but it is those cases where the paint layer and the base is already apart and adhesion tends to zero. Especially those cases where removal is not possible basis, and the state of the premises in tears (usually problems with the roof, civil works, as a consequence - not compatible with life swings in humidity-temperature conditions). Losses are inevitable with such a transfer and large, this is an extreme measure. On. If you make out the points. Canvas covered with gesso, typically with brush and thin. The paint layer is very thin physically. If this temperature it is all absorbed by the priming and is a thin film on top, if the oil - also absorbed, but less, and the film dozens of times thicker. But still very thin, usually less than 0.5 mm. That is a bunch of + gesso paint layer is very strong and in fact is the "picture". The question that then you can share? Where in the divide? If you try to dissolve the gesso, which is possible, then the inevitable losses, both the paint layer will depart. Mechanical actions are excluded. Plywood on a temporary surface in theory possible, but the flip side, again, will be damaged. A gesso usually so fused with a layer of colorful, they almost two-layer unit. The problem has no solution. Последний раз редактировалось olnev; 28.10.2011 в 18:27.

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26.10.2011, 00:29	Язык оригинала: Русский #14
Stuart Пользователь Регистрация: 21.10.2011 Адрес: Москва Сообщений: 35 Спасибо: 22 Поблагодарили 15 раз(а) в 10 сообщениях Репутация: 30	Well! Thank you for your pleasant communication, I think this topic is not closed, P.S. Now what ponabral some literature on the restoration, I'll meet, if I find something about this area, be sure to lay out the information!

28.10.2011, 22:01	Язык оригинала: Русский #18
olnev Пользователь Регистрация: 15.10.2010 Адрес: antiqnuvo.ru Сообщений: 37 Спасибо: 19 Поблагодарили 57 раз(а) в 19 сообщениях Репутация: 114	Cyril Syzran, yes . But in terms of the restorer 's all primer, for example , many artists in different periods of the show had a habit of white gesso paint in one convenient it a color . That is, we regard this case and gesso and paint a thin layer of dubbing as a primer . So I elaborated . And it is not always a gesso ground, and it is not always identical in composition , but there is a countdown of the most common material. And every action begins with research . In any case , the original issue was not resolved.

29.10.2011, 00:43	Язык оригинала: Русский #19
Stuart Пользователь Регистрация: 21.10.2011 Адрес: Москва Сообщений: 35 Спасибо: 22 Поблагодарили 15 раз(а) в 10 сообщениях Репутация: 30	olnev, Thank you for the informative answer!

29.11.2011, 01:59	Язык оригинала: Русский #20
Павел Морозов Новичок Регистрация: 25.11.2011 Сообщений: 5 Спасибо: 4 Поблагодарили 2 раз(а) в 1 сообщении Репутация: 4	Perform such work is possible. It all depends on the quality of the canvas sizing , and state of the soil layer to the picturesque . 1. First you need to properly seal the painting tissue paper pretty strong glue. 2. Then , it is necessary to weaken the link with the ground cloth, moistened it (Method must be selected ). 3. One side of the picture pasted , reversible adhesive, on a plane. 4. We are trying to divide pasted onto the plane of the canvas painting . (with a slow and uniform folding canvas). 5. Painting, the rest on the plane , duplicate on canvas . __________________________________________________ _____________________ To perform this work , you must have a restoration skill. This is only a scheme of work. Everything is decided by the situation.