Elena Basner - arrest of a respected expert! Your opinion?

[тандем]

Сообщение от Bella

In my opinion, a real collector to measure seven times ...

Сообщение от Alekseev

You're absolutely right, "the mind" as it should be.
But in practice .....

Theoretical arguments on the topic "Where wearing straw for bedding!"

[Алексеев]

Сообщение от tandem

Arguments theorists on the topic "Where wearing straw for bedding!"

Yes Tandem and practices, apparently, already sitting with falshaki)))

[Solnce]

Сообщение от acetate

Collectors , in any case, most often dealt with worse , and often better than the experts. Collector until he believes in what is going to buy or not buy when . A refers to the officials in the event that is going to continue to sell the item . This is a real collectors , and those who are important piece of paper , and fit with my knees . How do you imagine that quite a collector of paper on a fake item ? And if I do not quite official , private expertise have every right . And I am sorry and do not do the examination . True collectors are dreamers - mysticism , but are rare .

I do not advise to do the examination of hundreds of thousands of pictures and up - too much risk . Fakes are shops .
One accomplice bandit you can pass dubious thing and then another " buy " it and all - you got under extortion and looting . " Shit sold him into prison , home collection , all taken away. " You never thought about it ?
I do not mean "papers " Petrova and not about saying " svoyachkovye " expertise. I'm talking about the normal technical and technological expertise and talking about knowledge of museum collections of standards . Expertise does not happen enough . Maybe just the right information to emerge , such as " was this thing we have been ... " Do not be stingy , not risk . I'm not talking about bribes experts . An ordinary visiting expert " on the street" and without overpayments.

[Алексеев]

Сообщение от Solnce; 2999981"

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Collectors , in any case, most often dealt with worse ,

Surely there are passionate collectors , but in relation to examinations better believe the experts - after many years , and sometimes multi-decadal experience with things standards makes itself felt . Though of course , much depends on the particular specialist and his talent.

[тата]

Сообщение от Solnce

I do not advise to do the examination of hundreds of thousands of pictures and up - too much risk . Fakes are shops .
One accomplice bandit you can pass dubious thing and then another " buy " it and all - you got under extortion and looting . " Shit sold him into prison , home collection , all taken away. " You never thought about it ?
I do not mean "papers " Petrova and not about saying " svoyachkovye " expertise. I'm talking about the normal technical and technological expertise and talking about knowledge of museum collections of standards . Expertise does not happen enough . Maybe just the right information to emerge , such as " was this thing we have been ... " Do not be stingy , not risk . I'm not talking about bribes experts . An ordinary visiting expert " on the street" and without overpayments .

 Oddities what you write, so do not be angry . I do not buy
 questionable thing is not for " accomplices bandits " not their " associates ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Firstly try to acquire, what like, but try this
 learn to understand. When the direction of what art you
 sincerely care about - it is much easier to do , and if not interested
 even more difficult to understand .
 Secondly, try to communicate with people experienced , there is always
 opportunity to learn .
 Thirdly, that even among the questionable things , I try to see things
 authentic , it happens sometimes .
 I think not buy fake or valid for $ 200 or 100
 thousands .
 I repeat - I do not buy a thing if he does not believe in it , of course opinion
 expert is important , but the money that I pay. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Alekseev

Surely there are passionate collectors , but in relation to examinations better believe the experts - after many years , and sometimes multi-decadal experience with things standards makes itself felt . Though of course , much depends on the particular specialist and his talent .

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

[Solnce]

Сообщение от acetate ; 3000721 ​​

Strange what you write, so do not be angry . I do not buy
 questionable thing is not for " accomplices bandits " not their " associates ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Firstly try to acquire, what like, but try this
 learn to understand. When the direction of what art you
 sincerely care about - it is much easier to do , and if not interested
 even more difficult to understand .
 Secondly, try to communicate with people experienced , there is always
 opportunity to learn .
 Thirdly, that even among the questionable things , I try to see things
 authentic , it happens sometimes .
 I think not buy fake or valid for $ 200 or 100
 thousands .
 I repeat - I do not buy a thing if he does not believe in it , of course opinion
 expert is important , but the money that I pay. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Added after 3 minutes

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

"Collaborators bandits " and their " associates " You will not notice at first . A granny with " Provenance " send <! - ~ 7 ~ -> .
Painting should recheck the experts compare with the material standards . Perhaps it is easier to buy a printed schedule , but painting old author is best to check .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Horses eat oats and hay.
The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea.

[Solnce]

Сообщение от acetate ; 3000721 ​​

Strange what you write, so do not be angry . I do not buy
 questionable thing is not for " accomplices bandits " not their " associates ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Firstly try to acquire, what like, but try this
 learn to understand. When the direction of what art you
 sincerely care about - it is much easier to do , and if not interested
 even more difficult to understand .
 Secondly, try to communicate with people experienced , there is always
 opportunity to learn .
 Thirdly, that even among the questionable things , I try to see things
 authentic , it happens sometimes .
 I think not buy fake or valid for $ 200 or 100
 thousands .
 I repeat - I do not buy a thing if he does not believe in it , of course opinion
 expert is important , but the money that I pay. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Added after 3 minutes

Yes indeed work with standards , just often prevents experts properly understand the authenticity of the product . Better, certainly so in the old book was the work of the pre-revolutionary or exhibition lit. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And you know what to say then I'll have the money , not the expert ?

Where is the contradiction? Need and archival research and technology , and of course your opinion decisive . If you do not like the item , what the conversation ? The entire complex is needed if a serious bargain .
I would place Vasilyeva and THG and belt and Grabar be interviewed before the deal . He then went on . The strange thing is ...

[osamnen]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Horses eat oats and hay.
The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea.

A disinterested experts as mammoths became extinct.
 
They say that sometimes even decent where it encountered, but also on the verge of extinction.

[Solnce]

Сообщение от osamnen

A disinterested experts as mammoths became extinct.
 
They say that sometimes even decent where it encountered, but also on the verge of extinction.

Yes, let them take the money for their work experts.
Just to do it professionally, efficiently, carefully and did not lie.
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