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[Meister]

Сообщение от qwerty

So even if the fans will choose the most successful social realism. Start conditions something similar.

Well, if they are ready for it to go, I'm for it)) is true, I do not think they will go for it ... all the same language of figures not to challenge ...

[Евгений]

Сообщение от qwerty

fans of social realism

Dear what have Socialist Realism? "Do you like Russian avant-garde, I (and many others here on the forum), a traditional Russian painting, based on the traditions of Russian culture of 19 century.
If we consider the period when there was a Soviet empire 1918-1989, then in this period was a talented, high-quality, take zhivopis.Mozhno period 1918-1930, to see the dynamics of prices for Russian artists, (who held the traditional Russian school), at SodBi, Kristi with 2000-2008, growth is good.
Just be aware that counterfeit Russian avant-garde in times longer to sell all of western auctions (as compared with traditional Russian painting), including the SodBi, Kristi.I investment component of this bullshit is zero .. to argue about it meaning net.Pokupki auctions, we, too, with you not once discussed ..

1. Fakes Russian avant-garde
The more popular and, consequently, more expensive product made by a particular school, the more likely the emergence of scandals - such as the one that erupted after the publication of Konstantin Akinsha and Grigorii Kozlov. An article in the American magazine "ART news" called briefly and clearly: "Falshak" - and telling us about the incredible and intricate story surrounding the Russian avant-garde art of the first quarter of the XX century.

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The reason for the journalistic investigation proved exhibition "Berlin - Moscow", as held in Berlin, the retrospective included a few questionable products (for example, "Blue kontrrelef Vladimir Lebedev and dynamic composition, Alexandra Exter, originating from a German private collection). For several months the authors had to travel the world, collecting the views of knowledgeable experts, collectors and dealers before they could publish the first in a proposed series of articles.

According to the authors, the famous boom of 1987, when the prices of works by Russian avant-garde artists have achieved vast sums, there was no accident. Those who managed to earn a sharp spike in prices a huge profit, seriously preparing for this for many years. By the way, the end of 1980 the number of counterfeits has been drastically increasing. Today the number is difficult even to imagine. The owner of the famous New York gallery Ingrid Hutton calls the figure of six to eight thousand: a number of forgeries, in her view, is circulating in the market and settled in the private and public collections. One only fake watercolors and drawings Rayonism founder Mikhail Larionov, thrown on sale in 1980, more than a thousand. There are hundreds of paintings by Kazimir Malevich (Suprematism father is among the most expensive artists, and his paintings can cost two to three million dollars), the paintings of Lyubov Popova and Aleksandr Rodchenko (prices for their great work ranging up to half a million dollars); works Barbarians Stepanova, Lazarus Lisitsky, Ivan Puni and Alexandra Exter. There are carefully planned action, when all the adulterated artistic heritage of the artist, including even his biography. This hoax was carried out with a little-known student of Malevich Nina Kogan, many works which have been successfully implemented in the market.

Geography of production of fakes is the most diverse: Moscow, Leningrad, Prague, Warsaw, Berlin, New York. Lack of reliable origin of things, as a rule, due to the illegal export from the USSR. The best way to "cleanse" the forgery was to put something up for auction, and then the very same to buy it, thereby legalizing frank falshak. Drank and fake examinations, allegedly signed venerable art critics. There are even papers, printed on most of these forms of the Petrograd Institute of Artistic Culture of surviving to the present antiquated typewriters.

The first book about the Russian avant-garde art has appeared in the West only in 1962. It still does not have complete catalogs of even the most venerable artists, not companies, such as Kandinsky's society, which meets all of the information, there are no special committees (committees like Chagall, Matisse and Picasso), followed by the last word, because without them, any certificate thing just a piece of canvas or a piece of paper.

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  2.Poddelki Russian avant-garde (Lazarus Khidekel)http://www.lenpravda.ru/today/251373.html
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3.Poddelki Russian avant-garde (Marc Chagall) and it is in the museum, but what then can govarit on auctions ?????
Japanese museums that take the exhibition of Russian avant-garde of the Moscow Museum of Modern Art (MMSI), will not be exhibited three paintings by Marc Chagall: "Family", "Fiddler" and "Portrait of a Woman." Rights holders of these works from the "Committee of Chagall's" claim that they - a fake. It was reported today in the administration of the Osaka Museum Temposan "which opens the exhibition MMSI September 25.

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The interviewer noted that "the Japanese public would not be able to see the Chagall painting as long as Moscow Museum and the Chagall Committee did not come to a consensus." "If the authenticity of the work is confirmed, then the more it is likely that museums in Gifu and Saitama, where the exhibition will be held after November, still be able to provide them. However, while this is impossible," - he added.

The newspaper Asahi reported today that three holders believe fake Chagall painting brought the Moscow Museum of Modern Art in Japan, said Itar-Tass. "Technology, which carried out these works and other times they say that they do not belong to his hand," - said "the Committee Chagall", which includes the descendants of the artist.

June 21 MMSI, founder and first director who became president of Russia Academy of Arts Zurab Tsereteli, opened Japan's first exhibition of Russian avant-garde. In it, in addition to Marc Chagall, works by many other artists, including Natalia Goncharova, Niko Pirosmani and Kasimir Malevich.

[Meister]

Сообщение от Eugene

Do you like Russian avant-garde, I (and many others here on the forum), a traditional Russian painting, based on the traditions of Russian culture of the 19 th century.

wait a second, but can be a traditional Russian painting of the first name? Well, at least a dozen, so it was understandable.
And about falshakov ... fake everything, and avant-garde, and classical music, and Socialist Realism, and non-conformism, something more, something less. This is a major scourge of the market, but this problem is everywhere. So do not say that all the villains gathered around the avant-garde and molded it, I can also scatter your articles about the Soviet forgery, ie Forgive traditional painting. but I do, unlike you, do not do, because it only reduces the interest in art market, and we have here like the other tasks.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Meister

but we have here like the other tasks.

Of course others, I am a collector of traditional Russian painting 1930-1960gg.
And why you do not like what I write about
Counterfeit .. dealers, collectors and amateurs is useful to read.
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imitations of the artist Marc Chagall (interview granddaughter of Marc Chagall)
- How many forgeries of paintings of Marc Chagall appears now? There is a rule: if you want to steal a book from the counter or from the library, so it is well worth it. If now being counterfeited, then she deserves ...

- You are right. Indeed, the copy of the artist - the flip side of success. But it is not only copying, but sometimes trying to forge. We are flooded with counterfeit Marc Chagall. Many are made in Eastern Europe. The peak of this process comes at a time when the collapse of the Iron Curtain "- came a real disaster: if before the end of the eighties my mother was a card index, which recorded fake paintings grandfather, but now they have a whole three! .. .."
http://www.rg.ru/2005/06/02/volshebnik.html
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Fakes Russian avant-garde. Aleksandr Rodchenko and Varvara Stepanova, interviews grandson.
(And this is the situation in Western museums, but what then can govarit of auction houses ?????)

As one might have noticed, often good intentions of Russia's - heirs and art - hampered by a lack of understanding of Western art establishment represented by auction houses and galleries.
Alexander Lavrentiev, the grandson of Alexander Rodchenko and Varvara Stepanova, was struck by the number of fake "works" of his grandfather, who he saw on the walls of museums in the West.

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The first unpleasant discovery he made in 1982, when Lavrent'ev and his mother visited the Museum director William Lembruka in Duisburg, to show them a new exhibition catalogs Rodchenko. There are two subjects of sculpture, one of which depicted an owl, could not belong Rodchenko. All the heirs of the assurances that Rodchenko kept records of their work, and nowhere is there mention of the Body, not fired at the Germans nor the slightest impression. After the sculpture was taken from the collection of very respectable Düsseldorf collector. Since Lavrentiev can recall many such cases related exhibits, catalogs and auctions. His opinion has always been a voice crying in the wilderness.
Regina Khidekel recalls how several years ago when she and her husband have lived in Russia, they came a man from Sotheby's and showed slides of paintings "Yellow Cross" Lazarus Khidekel, put up for auction. "Yellow Cross" was orange, and Regina realized why: in a book published in the GDR was on the forefront of a reproduction of this painting, the poor quality of printing led to a distortion of color, and someone painstakingly copied the "bad reproduction. In spite of everything , the picture was put up for auction.
We do not know what is more - a professional snobbery, concern for the "esprit de corps" or subconscious reluctance to upset the competitive bidding. It is important one - in the vanguard there are no well-established methods of examination.
Part of the problem lies in the fact that West did not have enough material for a true comparison, and therefore bogus easily pass for an original, says Eugen Ordonez, restorer of the New York Museum of Modern Art, which is already ten years studying the techniques Russian avant-garde and defended her dissertation on the subject. She said that, despite the apparent ease forge suprematistskuyu or constructivist work is surprisingly difficult. However, the required knowledge of technology is very rare, and counterfeiters rescues unsophisticated buyers.
In other areas the situation is more safely, such as Matisse or Goya's work is well studied, a large body of knowledge about their technique. In the case of Russian avant-garde things differently, and this provides room for counterfeits.
Cooperation is needed specialists in various fields in order to accumulate a critical mass of knowledge about the Russian Avant-garde, according to Ordonez. Milda Vikturina, expert of the Tretyakov Gallery, agrees with this: the focus should be compared to the originals and fakes, the study of engineering masters and tricks counterfeiters. Useful would be to create a special fund, similar to the Company Kandinsky, coordinating this work. Only then can we learn Russian avant-garde in the present.
Counterfeits may cause incomparable damage to the reputation of magnificent artists, Ordonez says: "Only after visiting Russia, I realized that much of what is brought to us on the West - just an insult to their names."
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=64

[SergeiSK]

Meister,
qwerty,
I do not mind. But sales statistics take only a Russian auction. We will not be equal to the sale of Malevich, Goncharova, etc. West. This equalize the chances of contending. With our socialist realism, with your avant-garde and non-conformism. You can add contemporary artists, such as Infante, etc. I think it would be honest. Here are all crying that Socialist Realism - a Soviet-Russian invention, here in Russia and will do the statistics for the past three years.

[Meister]

SergeiSK, ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))
are you with me or with sovkoma Gelos offer the results to take, eh? ))))) Ah yes, yet also has a gallery Shishkin)) on them so much for sale, straight do not even know that and choose))))
joke you like, so when in Russia at the auctions to sell anything other than social realism?

[SergeiSK]

Meister,
And you thought we Sotheby Sovkomom to compare? Naah .... "Old style and primitive sotsreal" compared to only homeland. What people are buying and have homespun truth. And sales in the West can compare the sales of impressionist with Russian avant-garde. They've sort of equally popular in the West?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

SergeiSK, AI: How many participants beat for lots on the auction of the Triumph of Socialist Realism?
YT: Register 52 members, was traded 46.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от SergeiSK

Meister,
And you thought we Sotheby

So there vanguard sell: 30-50%falshaki how they can really compare ..
Must stop at the Russian auction houses, human Sergei.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

registered 52 participants, was traded 46.

So what? We bought the same. price is ..

Falshaki market Russian avant-garde ...

Сообщение от Meister

SergeiSK, ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))
are you with me or with sovkoma Gelos offer the results to take, eh? ))))) Ah yes, yet also has a gallery Shishkin)) on them so much for sale, straight do not even know that and choose))))
joke you like, so when in Russia at the auctions to sell anything other than social realism?
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Dear Master, and you propose to base this fufel?
"...... So no rush for the avant-garde not as a forgery. One of these stories was at the auction "Mack Douglas two years ago. The main unit of the then sales, which was even put on the cover of the directory is" Teahouse "Larionov. About the origin of the paintings have written that it allegedly was transferred to the Ministry of Culture of Russia in Baku Museum, who then sold it. One of the prominent Western experts on Larionov confirmed the authenticity of the painting. And then it turned out, that this picture never existed and no one owes nothing to sell ...."
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...095#post109095

[Meister]

well, let's take only those jobs that are here have a green light?
Well this is complete nonsense focus on the Russian (in Russia) auction, in which "Krasnopevtsev" for 5-7 thousand dollars for sale? What is the difference, where there was an auction?