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Ika-Ika · 20.11.2010, 13:12

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I would not write if I did not have strong forensic

What he does not believe can? Maybe it banned?

Артём · 20.11.2010, 16:46

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Well, he did not believe it can? Maybe it banned?

Believes, does not believe any examination.
The whole forum has subscribed, it's a bad copy, and costs nothing!
Competently all man explained!
Topic to be closed, let not believe further!

Ika-Ika · 20.11.2010, 19:07

But worst of all, this icon nichego.Ona lives his zhiznyu.Babushka in a remote village to pray at this image and get blagodat.Eto proves once again that Vasnetsov created the image, which is harmoniously blended into our lives and has the right to povtoreniya.A Raphael, and Leonardo also created a fact that stuck in Rossii.Taynuyu Supper (which really there is not a reproduction or repetition) are hung above the Holy Doors, and the Sistine Madonna, I've often seen in temples, although not in Moscow.

Кирилл Сызранский · 20.11.2010, 19:14

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grandmother in a remote village to pray at this image and receive grace.

It's still not a remote village icon, obviously for the rich class - akademka on gold leaf yes and no size is to house the village.

russophile · 21.11.2010, 08:17

If I may ask, would it not be unusual for the rich class to commission or buy a copy, especially during Vasnetsovs lifetime?

redbor, I agree about babys leg. It was explained to me that it is the difference in standard light brush technique of academy training versus a deliberate impasto technique. The difference in the size of the works may also be an explanation.

Also is not the author trained in academic painting and iconography?

Thank you.

uriart · 21.11.2010, 10:03

russophile, why do you want in your own opinion to convince everyone else?
You also have the Russian language was told that your icon has never been written by Viktor Vasnetsov.
What more do you want to hear?
If you are someone wants to convince that this is the "hand" Vasnetsov, so believe what a man, if you do not believe all the people who told you there!

redbor · 21.11.2010, 12:13

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Nor is the author of studies in academic painting and iconography?

There is a view of writing icons student V. Vasnetsov?
For example, I do not know about his students.
Students Apollinaris Vasnetsov - I know, and Viktor were?
In any case, this copy is not written by professional academic painting.
And this is not one of Vasnetsov icons disappeared from the imperial yacht.
russophile, you're in the U.S., where do you live? Not in Philadelphia?

russophile · 21.11.2010, 13:22

uriart, I apologize for my persistence. I do not wish to provoke anger. In the future would it be acceptable to post contrary evidence from professional sources? Results of X-ray, XRF, spectrum analysis, etc. If not I will drop the subject.

redbor, I live in Denver. If you would ever like to meet, I would be happy to. Also I have never heard of Vasnetsov Icons on the royal yacht. If you have a link to any pictures I would very much like to see them. Thank you.

redbor · 21.11.2010, 14:21

Not just my friend in Philadelphia - an expert on icons, beauty there is holding, if you do not believe anyone here ...

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The results of X-Ray, X-ray diffraction, spectral analysis, etc.

- can only confirm the time of writing, as you are here and they said: line 19 and 20 centuries.
As for authorship, you yourself can see the difference. A very weak message.
No X-Ray will not help here ..

russophile · 21.11.2010, 19:41

I mean no offence to experts in Russia or anywhere else. My point is this. 10 years ago the signature on scratched board was thought lost forever. Today we can construct a residual image matrix using particle beam technology recording over 186,000 events per second. 10 years from now technology will authenticate works of art, not opinions. I'm sorry but it is inevitable. Indeed, we are well down that road.

I hope you will consider sending me a link to any information on the yacht icons. Thank you.

20.11.2010, 19:07	Язык оригинала: Русский #13
Ika-Ika Banned Регистрация: 29.11.2008 Адрес: Москва Сообщений: 1,662 Спасибо: 1,946 Поблагодарили 3,101 раз(а) в 766 сообщениях Репутация: 6191	But worst of all, this icon nichego.Ona lives his zhiznyu.Babushka in a remote village to pray at this image and get blagodat.Eto proves once again that Vasnetsov created the image, which is harmoniously blended into our lives and has the right to povtoreniya.A Raphael, and Leonardo also created a fact that stuck in Rossii.Taynuyu Supper (which really there is not a reproduction or repetition) are hung above the Holy Doors, and the Sistine Madonna, I've often seen in temples, although not in Moscow. Последний раз редактировалось Ika-Ika; 20.11.2010 в 20:05.

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21.11.2010, 08:17	Язык оригинала: English #15
russophile Новичок Регистрация: 18.03.2010 Сообщений: 24 Спасибо: 1 Поблагодарили 2 раз(а) в 2 сообщениях Репутация: 4	If I may ask, would it not be unusual for the rich class to commission or buy a copy, especially during Vasnetsovs lifetime? redbor, I agree about babys leg. It was explained to me that it is the difference in standard light brush technique of academy training versus a deliberate impasto technique. The difference in the size of the works may also be an explanation. Also is not the author trained in academic painting and iconography? Thank you.

21.11.2010, 10:03	Язык оригинала: Русский #16
uriart Banned Регистрация: 05.06.2008 Адрес: UKRAINE Сообщений: 8,039 Спасибо: 5,979 Поблагодарили 7,015 раз(а) в 2,462 сообщениях Репутация: 12459	russophile, why do you want in your own opinion to convince everyone else? You also have the Russian language was told that your icon has never been written by Viktor Vasnetsov. What more do you want to hear? If you are someone wants to convince that this is the "hand" Vasnetsov, so believe what a man, if you do not believe all the people who told you there!

21.11.2010, 13:22	Язык оригинала: English #18
russophile Новичок Регистрация: 18.03.2010 Сообщений: 24 Спасибо: 1 Поблагодарили 2 раз(а) в 2 сообщениях Репутация: 4	uriart, I apologize for my persistence. I do not wish to provoke anger. In the future would it be acceptable to post contrary evidence from professional sources? Results of X-ray, XRF, spectrum analysis, etc. If not I will drop the subject. redbor, I live in Denver. If you would ever like to meet, I would be happy to. Also I have never heard of Vasnetsov Icons on the royal yacht. If you have a link to any pictures I would very much like to see them. Thank you.

21.11.2010, 19:41	Язык оригинала: English #20
russophile Новичок Регистрация: 18.03.2010 Сообщений: 24 Спасибо: 1 Поблагодарили 2 раз(а) в 2 сообщениях Репутация: 4	I mean no offence to experts in Russia or anywhere else. My point is this. 10 years ago the signature on scratched board was thought lost forever. Today we can construct a residual image matrix using particle beam technology recording over 186,000 events per second. 10 years from now technology will authenticate works of art, not opinions. I'm sorry but it is inevitable. Indeed, we are well down that road. I hope you will consider sending me a link to any information on the yacht icons. Thank you.