Holy Russia, Myth or Reality?

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So you understood that "an abdication" did not exist as a document?

This registration period is in the network. Look.
And more. You must excuse me, but this topic that you have discovered for myself, I closed the year as 79-m, when all the information on this subject was available only in "samizdat" and "tamizdate. Now, even as a surprise even to see the discussion it is enough to read Solzhenitsyn's "The Red Wheel", if interested in the topic in February and a chapter not included in the main text of The Red Wheel ", Reflections on the February Revolution.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

This registration period is in the network. See

Where? Show.
I have found a paper in the State Archive of Russia. But this is not a document. This letter to General Headquarters Chief of Staff. And the signature pencil (?!). And it seems fake. Compare for yourself.
State document must be on stamped paper, signed by the pen and must be approved not only the signature of the Minister's Court, but the seal. And prepared to be required by the rules.

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(State document should be on stamped paper and sealed. And be prepared according to the rules).

He-he ... "must be" ... This is not Europe, not deutsch ordnung. "Should be" ... But you never know what it should be!
For lack of stamped write a simple. (c)

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

and the chapter, not included in the main text of "The Red Wheel," Reflections on the February Revolution.

Here there:

Who could have expected, who would undertake to predict that the most powerful
Mira empire would collapse with such incredible speed? What Three hundred
dynasty, the monarchy quincentennial not even make the slightest attempt to
resistance? This prophet was not one. None revolutionary
none of the enemies of the bombs or just spewing satire, never
ventured a guess. For centuries, stand rock - and to fall into three
day? Even in two: the day on March 1 has no one suggested that the Emperor renounce
Day 3 March renounced not only Nicholas II, but the whole family. Cadets
(Milyukov the first diplomatic receptions) admitted to foreigners that
themselves overwhelmed by the suddenness and ease of success. (Yes Progressive block and
dreamed and did not want to take the Romanov dynasty from power, they sought only
limit monarchical power in favor of higher urban public.
They and most of Nicholas II rather willingly would have been left in place, go it on their
major concessions, but a bit earlier.)

 And:

Finally, if the nature of rock - fluctuate - prokolebalsya to the Emperor more
two or three days. Win it for another three days - and to the northern front came to
Soviet "order № 1" - and those same generals would have jumped in front of the abyss
and ourselves have retained the king of denial. But no, the fluctuations in the Emperor was
and urgent than ever. As soon as he heard about the danger to his family - and
left the army, threw GHQ, threw the post of High - and raced to the family.
    Again a sign of pure loving heart. But what historical figure
his weakness for his family set off an apology? When it comes to Russia
They would have silenced the family feeling.
    Finally, the family and sick children can be removed from Tsarskoe Selo
vigorously: fast cars, cars warm and comfortable, and the convoy is enough.
    Justifying that the Emperor did not know, did not understand what is happening in
Petrograd, did not cover the scope? Yes, so did not know how
incompetent and corrupt ministers he set. But enough already knew that
sent to subdue eight regiments.

Read useful:
http://lib.ru/PROZA/SOLZHENICYN/fevral.txt

 And here is the text of the order № 1:

Order № 1. March 1, 1917 to the garrison of Petrograd district of all the soldiers of the guard, army, artillery and navy for immediate and accurate execution, and the workers of Petrograd for information.

Council of Workers and Soldiers' Deputies decided:

1) In all companies, battalions, regiments, parks, batteries, squadrons and individual services of different kinds of military offices and courts Navy to immediately choose a committee of elected representatives from the lower ranks of the above units.

2) All military units that have not yet chosen their representatives on the Council of Workers' Deputies to elect a representative from his mouth, which come with the certificate in the State Duma by 10 am two this March.

3) In all his political speeches by a military unit subordinate to the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies and its committees.

4) Orders Military Commission of the State Duma should be executed, except when they are contrary to the orders and decrees of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.

5) Any kind of weapon, such as: rifles, machine guns, armored cars, etc. must be in possession and control of the company and battalion committees, and in no case be issued to officers, even by their standards.

6) The order and the administration of official duties, the soldiers must observe strict military discipline, but out of duty and order in its political, general civil and private life, soldiers are in no way can diminish in those rights enjoyed by all citizens. In particular, getting up in front and obligatory salute outside the service canceled.

7) Similarly abolished titles of officers: Your Excellency, Honor, etc., and replaced salutation: Mr. General, sir, etc.

Maltreatment of soldiers of any military rank and, in particular, appeal to him "you" are prohibited and any violation of this world, as well as all misunderstandings between officers and soldiers, the latter shall communicate to the company committees.

This order read in all companies, battalions, regiments, crews, batteries and other non-combatant and combatant commands.

Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

He-he ...

This is very meaningful. I did not expect.

And what you have, I have long read. Do not judge him Emperor. Also shown you the text explains nothing and proves nothing.
And with the text of the order № 1 known long ago. Not surprised. It only shows that the so-called Provisional Government was called the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies and directed. All this I know. You better tell me from whom this Council was, how many were listed on the workers and soldiers (to cover), as well as dentists, etc. By the way, I think, in Solzhenitsyn's there about this, but in another book, written much later. You see, in his "Red Wheel" when he decided not to write about a lot of things that I learned from the archives. He later admitted this.

You are my "act, the abdication" show .

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Why do not recall Basil Shumsky, the last of the Rurik. Moreover, the end of his reign, much like 1917.
Board it was very unhappy and full of riots and rebellions, and wars with foreign enemies.
The failure of the Government in the fight against the invaders, the discontent of the nobility and the boyars of his external. policy led to a revolt of nobles led by Z. Lyapunov.
July 17 Lyapunov with friends and a large crowd stormed the palace and began to speak Shumsky: "How long for you will have to shed Christian blood?" Earth was empty, nothing good is being done in your reign, have pity on our destruction, and put the royal staff, and since we are about itself as something fishing.
July 19 Lyapunov with four companions and the monks of the monastery Chudova came to the house Shumsky and announced that to reassure the people that need a haircut. SHUISKY flatly refused. Then tonsure committed force. Getman C. Zolkiewski took Shuisky in Warsaw, where he died under suspicious circumstances.
  Authorities temporarily transferred to the Boyar dume.V 1610 Lyapunov headed the first militia, which in 1611 had come to Moscow and has blocked the invaders. In the absence of the king convened a Zemsky Sobor to elect a new king and head of government in the absence of the king, thus becoming the dictator of Russia.

  Shuya generally no renunciation not written. So, the Romanovs ruled illegitimate? It may be remembered in Russia Shuya?

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I have just noticed the date of the order number 1 of so-called. Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies - March 1, 1917, Mr. (?!!!).
Do not you think it strange? As under the current King of the sort of self-styled organization may issue any orders, especially for Army, which is bound by an oath before God, King and Fatherland ?
This was possible only because of their certainty that a forgery had been prepared, and perhaps they themselves had, and prepared. And who else?
Emperor Nicholas II was never released a special act of the military oath of allegiance . Hence, the abdication was not. Was the illegal arrest of the King.