A good artist - a successful artist?

[AlexanderG]

Odno is opredelenii hudoznika - eto chelovek, kotoryi krasit.

To Samvel - konechno ze, uspeshnyi chelovek, nezavisimo ot professii, mozet sdelat 'gorazdo bol'she dlia obschestva i otdel'nyh lichnostei, chem prekrasnyi, no nischii.

Poezka gogena - eto prostoi marketing triuk! Posledniia vystavka! Naletai, toropis' ...

Da takie ze oni liudi kak vse (hudozniki).

[nikola]

Сообщение от Eugene

What was the motivation for P. Gauguin Tahiti ..?

  And what motivation I was at the cave artists drew on the shade Altamira? I think that art is something else than
language of communication given to us Bogom.ZVUK in music, gesture and movement in dance,
Words in poetry, color in painting, line and TON in the schedule.
This and the need to cherish and it is worth having. I think the worst thing for
art when demand determines supply. When the word popular
Writers overshadowing literature, but the nickname Safronov, referring to the Cubists,
avant garde said that he, unlike them, is able to draw at least.
If someone has decided to go to the temple of art, at least not tapchite.
And of a sudden someone decides to write up a BIBLE. To get a better buy.

[Glasha]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Da takie ze oni liudi kak vse (hudozniki).

- yes, two arms, two legs .., in this sense, of course ..

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

How much pathos? Yes, and what conclusions?

-why, as something incomprehensible, because once pathos? as a something, not like me, so once the denial, they say, this does not happen? under one grebenochku? ..,
and the conclusions finally I made DSF - let alone the lives and motivations of the artist, since .. not familiar with it
and everyone must do his own thing, and what a good life;
with which agrees, as long ago reached the same conclusions, while interesting forum on this remarkable site: p.

[Самвел]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

To Samvel - konechno ze, uspeshnyi chelovek, nezavisimo ot professii, mozet sdelat 'gorazdo bol'she dlia obschestva i otdel'nyh lichnostei, chem prekrasnyi, no nischii

AlexanderG not responding my question, and another zalali .. I want to know \ is a good man - a successful man \?
  Or, a successful person can be a scoundrel /? And that by the fact that successful people can do more? That evil or good? What do you mean?

[artcol]

Сообщение от nikola

And what is the motivation I was at the cave artists drew on the shade Altamira? I think that art is something else than
language of communication given to us Bogom.ZVUK in music, gesture and movement in dance,
Words in poetry, color in painting, line and TON in the schedule.
This and the need to cherish and it is worth having. I think the worst thing for
art when demand determines supply. When the word popular
Writers overshadowing literature, but the nickname Safronov, referring to the Cubists,
avant garde said that he, unlike them, is able to draw at least.
If someone has decided to go to the temple of art, at least not tapchite.
And of a sudden someone decides to write up a BIBLE. To get a better buy.

You forget RHYTHM: D
Nature in all the arts overall. And in life too.

[AlexanderG]

To Nicola

"I think the worst thing for the art when demand determines supply."

A kak vy mozete sprosit 'togo chego ne znaete, ne videli, i ne podozrevali o suschestvovanii? Kakoi mozet byt 'spros na neisvestnyi predmet? Spros ne rozdaet predlozenie!

To Samvel

Dlia etogo nado iznachal'no opredelit'sia v kategoriiah. Sobstvenno eto i byla osnovnaia tsel 'dannogo posta.

Neobhodimy opredelionnye kriterii, kstati, a kak vy opredeliaete podletsa?
Mozet v Vashem opredelenii net dostatochnoi bazy, informatsii?
Liubaia otsenka trebuet dostatochnoi informatsii.
Podlets, ne podlets, horoshii - nehoroshii, dobro - zlo.
Eti kategorii obychno lichnostnye.
Vash podlets mozet byt 'geroem dlia drugih.
Staraia skaska - shpion i razvedchik, podlyi shpion i muzestvennyi razvedchik.

Na moi vzgliad obschechelovecheskih tsennostei, krome chelovecheskoi zisni i lichnostnyh prav, ne suschestvuet.

Po nastoiaschemu menia bol'she privlekaet Ayn Rand. Znaete takogo avtora?
Ia ne pytaius' vas uchit 'ili proveriat', prosto interesno.

To artcol

Est 'absoliutnoe fisiologicheskoe obosnovanie tvorchestva. Eto sviazano s razmerom chelovecheskogo mozga i detorodnymi vozmoznostiami zenskogo organizma. V dvuh slovah: chelovek rozdaetsia ne sposobnyi vyzit 'samoatoiatel'no. Poplakal - poluchil edu, teplo, lasku itd is niotkuda (v smysle ne zarabotal). Eto privodit k razvitiiu abstraktnogo myshleniia, skazkam, iskusstvu i prochaia.

[Самвел]

AlexanderG, all that you have written, I have almost the same I think, and I see no present any answer, or intelligible matter. About the Author I have not heard. What obschechelovechkskih values do not exist, except you listed, I would have doubted. I once quarreled with the man of Western civilization, and he told me. \ Do you have enough money, anything to do me a comment? At the expense of what a scoundrel, I do not have a clear answer, I'm in 99%of cases, I define the course of communication, sometimes just enough looks. Sometimes I see myself in themselves signs of a scoundrel, but I try to keep it in your mind.

[sss]

«A good artist - a successful artist?»
Whose mouth is embedded phrase? The mouth of a dealer, or in the mouth of the artist?
And the very notion of "success" too tensile, exactly like the concept of "good artist".
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"Successful" and "good" - these are two parallel lines. Sometimes their directions coincide, sometimes diametrically opposed. However, they remain independent, and, by and large, do not affect each other. Especially when you consider that there is a third - "bad artist", which is a "success" is in the same ways.

R. S. understand what was discussed when he said that the artist does not create wealth, and all the same: the artist (in the classical sense of the word), creating spiritual values, and creates the material too. From the creation of wealth freed poet.

[DSF]

"What was the motivation for P. Gauguin Tahiti ..?"

     I think art - something sensual and can not be described by logical terms. That's why women are more susceptible to the art than the "mundane" men. So it created us, God. So words to explain the motivation of Gauguin, I can not, unfortunately. I just feel it, though it may seem strange. This is what trying to say Korovin: "In art, all in the that, as and then something. Here is something the essence of the artist. something has only he, as an artist. That's what something it is difficult to comprehend and can not say: this is why they so something. You can talk a lot, you can write a thousand volumes, and still not say you can not explain it something, which contains the artist. Here Chaliapin singing Boris or Mephistopheles, or Salieri, or the Terrible - why is this good? Not because of Grozny or Salieri, but because he made a brilliant artist and a singer. As - this is a something, that only they are given ".
    So, one fine moment of his life Gauguin felt that something, and it entered into him forever, and he abandoned his prosperous business and organized life, and he gave this something and it carried him to Tahiti. Ambient, of course, decided that he was insane. But he was already anyway. He felt the "force of Harmony."
Maybe you, if just to feel this force, too, would have thrown his business and rushed to the edge of the world for something elusive. Who knows ..?

«And why Gauguin paintings are among the most expensive in the world?»

But this is a question for you, as an art dealer. Maybe their little, or they rarely come on the market, because everything - the museums? I do not know.
Yes, about the "pathos". There is no pathos, just I have a bad habit of writing chopped phrases. Turns rude and not very natural. But in another way, I somehow did not get.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от DSF

rushed to the edge of the world for something elusive.

But I'm already in Sochi, where even further ... almost that of Tahiti.