What distinguishes the true artist from not present?

[uriart]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Mozem ispol'zovat 'analogiiu: "Povest' o nastoiaschem cheloveke"

Here I disagree.
It was a story ideologized!

[AlexanderG]

A razve vsio iskusstvo ne ideologizirovanno? Iskusstvo i sport na ostrie politiki, kazetsia tak.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Iskusstvo i sport na ostrie politiki, kazetsia tak.

I can not agree with you. I think that art and sport - out of politics. This policy zhelaeyut, that they served their interests. In sports in general all very simple: who is stronger and smarter, the winner (except in cases not political). So the real artists and athletes - regardless of politics, such a asocial elements ...

[iside]

Сообщение от Buscador

In sports in general all very simple: who is stronger and smarter, the winner (except in cases but not political)

Italian soccer teams from the scandals, and their sponsors \\\\ coaches \\\\ arbitrators from the courts for several years can not escape. A seemingly strong and smart and handsome.

[Самвел]

Сообщение от uriart

This artist, again this is subjective, that was the artist, whose fame and popularity does not disappear over time.
He will be talking and all future generations to admire!

For the artist is not necessarily fame and popularity, he was an artist first and foremost for himself, and many artists have lived life probably unnoticed.

[Артём]

Сообщение от Samvel

For the artist is not necessarily fame and popularity, he was an artist first and foremost for himself, and many artists have lived life probably unnoticed.

The question once was - one of them this ?

[DSF]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

...

Well on the items, so on items, AlexanderG

Vremia deistvitel'no ochen 'tumanno i ne vsegda ob'ektivno.

In art - objectively.

Ne mogu soglasit'sia, u nas uze byla diskussia o perepisyvanii istorii, zamalchivanii ili preuvelichenii faktov.

Art is not history, its "misquote" is impossible, the picturesque quality of the picture remains unchanged and clearly visible. Painting can be a time to drive in the ideological framework, buried in the vaults, to declare "degenerate," "degenerative" and try to burn, but all this only for a short period in historical perspective. She quickly returns their rights.

Eto esli vy priderzivaetes' mneniia Renuara, ili on iavliaetsia dlia vas avtoritetom. Pravo na nezavisimoe mnenie nikto ne otmenial.

Renoir is the authority for the vast majority of professional artists, and if it is not so for bricklayers, brokers or astronauts, all of them, of course, have the right to an independent opinion on the matter, but the point is that their opinion is irrelevant does not and therefore not counted. Similarly, as their opinions about doctors or Botkin Pirogov. This competency medical community, which alone can assess the contribution of a doctor in medicine and, accordingly, either to perpetuate the memory of man, or quietly forget about it.

Huze ne stal, no i nravitsia ne nachal

Titian and should not please all in a row, he was not a girl. The artist, like any other professional who strives to earn the respect of his work above all his colleagues, not only contemporaries, but also future generations. Independent bakers opinions about painting, nuclear physics, or coronary artery bypass nobody cares.

Tak etoz ih professiia, mneniia vyskazyvat '.

But it is right "Therefore, they and their professional community, their language and their" trifles ". And why they matter in painting - the second. Their work artbiznes.

Kstati, ia sebe etot vopros nikogda ne zadaval.

And you ask, can be very useful, although it would be better it did not happen

[Posav]

DSF,
But shopkeepers are not bakers.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Buscador

I can not agree with you. I think that art and sport - out of politics. This policy wish that they served their interests. In sports in general all very simple: who is stronger and smarter, the winner (except in cases not political). So the real artists and athletes - regardless of politics, such a asocial elements ...

Ia govoriu ob etom iz sobstvennogo opyta. Somnenii v utverzdenii u menia net.

Kto platit, tot zakazyvaet kartiny

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Сообщение от DSF

Well, on the items, so for the items, AlexanderG

In art - objectively.

Vospol'suius' metodom Kirilla Suzranskogo:

Prizrachno vsio
V etom mire bushuiuschem

Art is not history, its "misquote" is impossible, the picturesque quality of the picture remains unchanged and clearly visible. Painting can be a time to drive in the ideological framework, buried in the vaults, to declare "degenerate," "degenerative" and try to burn, but all this only for a short period in historical perspective. She quickly returns their rights.

A davaite postroim logicheskuiu tsepochku:

Segodnia my znaem art, kotoryi sohranilsia v vekah - chto by emu sohranit'sia v vekah, kto-to dolzen za nim smotret 'i sohraniat' - eto byli vladel'tsy arta /kollektsionery - sledovatel'no, sohranilsia art kollektsionnyi - sledovatel ' no, kollektsionery, a ne hudozniki donesli etot art do nas - ostal'noi art ne sohranilsia

Renoir is the authority for the vast majority of professional artists, and if it is not so for bricklayers, brokers or astronauts, all of them, of course, have the right to an independent opinion on the matter, but the point is that their opinion is irrelevant does not and therefore not counted. Similarly, as their opinions about doctors or Botkin Pirogov. This competency medical community, which alone can assess the contribution of a doctor in medicine and, accordingly, either to perpetuate the memory of man, or quietly forget about it.

K schast'iu ia horosho obrazovan v obeih oblastiah, chto daiot mne vozmoznost 'imet' sobstvennoe mnenie.

Titian and should not please all in a row, he was not a girl. The artist, like any other professional who strives to earn the respect of his work above all his colleagues, not only contemporaries, but also future generations.

Eto predpolozenie, v kotorom ia sovsem ne uveren.

Independent bakers opinions about painting, nuclear physics, or coronary artery bypass nobody cares.

But it is right "Therefore, they and their professional community, their language and their" trifles ". And why they matter in painting - the second. Their work artbiznes.

And you ask, can be very useful, although it would be better it did not happen

Etogo [polnost'iu proizoiti i ne mozet, no s tsel'iu diskussii opredelit'sia v kategoriiah neobhodimo.

[Peter]

Сообщение от Posav

DSF,
But shopkeepers are not bakers.

Artist and gallery owners (or art dealer) is like two sides of one coin, unless one side, and a coin is worth nothing. Still, everyone pulls themselves, stressing their znachimost.Ranshe Marshal went on the heels of the artists, bowed, and begged for pictures (Vollar from Renoir to prmeru), now artists are looking for patronage of the rich galleries. This artist-seeming, you can discuss how you will, but this is only one side of the coin. And the other? This art dealer, who is this? What talents should have it, what kind of education, a way of thinking?