Association of South Russian Artists

[тандем]

Сообщение от Vivien

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They were replaced by others, such as provincials, without even leaving students.
It is you who have in mind? In order not to be unfounded, at least three, well, at least two names will be called? Why do I say, because many of them and their students is just taught.

Where students Malysheva Gerus, Gavdzinskogo, Lomykina .....???

Сообщение от Tana; 1532943"

... had called our Odessa wilderness? and still considered him a decent man!

You probably never anywhere other than Odessa not byvali.Mne does not appeal to your jingoistic patriotizm.Iz Sea city of Odessa has become a dilapidated ramshackle town, cluttering the shop with tasteless vyveskami.Vse than you are so proud of it remains in the distant past, in books, songs, local landscape artists .
This and creative impoverishment. What became thin. School, the same hudgaf - mediocrity award diplomas in the same plus full commercialization. Alas!

[Tana]

Сообщение от tandem

You probably never anywhere but Odessa is not byvali.Mne not impressed with your jingoistic patriotizm.Iz Sea city of Odessa has become a dilapidated ramshackle town, cluttering the shop with tasteless vyveskami.Vse than you are so proud of it remains in the distant past, books, songs, local landscape artists.

tandem, and here, as the saying goes: "Ha-ha 3 times"

Much to our regret I do not live now in Odessa (but regularly come) and I really miss the countryside and the part I do not have your snobbery, just want to note that unfortunately the birth or residence in the capital does not guarantee the presence of mind, learning, intelligence of talent (and a vivid confirmation of that - your message).

Dear tandem, so there was a life that I can at least every day to visit many famous sites, museums, galleries, auctions, because I live in close proximity to them (to go when they pass interesting exhibitions, etc.) and traveling and have the opportunity to travel, because everything is close (but I did not hit my butt to the chest (like you), as did so it matters where you live, born? (and again, you are a vivid proof), but I was always drawn to Odessa, with pleasure every time I visit Odessa museums, exhibitions, and for me they are no less interesting than the European.

A backwoods and the province, sorry, you have it in your head you are my dear, deal with yourself.

PS Unfortunately shops and cluttered places lacking everywhere: in Moscow, Kiev and Paris, and London, and New York , as well as local merchants.

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Сообщение от tandem

You probably never anywhere other than Odessa not byvali.Mne does not appeal to your jingoistic patriotizm.Iz Sea city of Odessa has become a dilapidated ramshackle town, cluttering the shop with tasteless vyveskami.Vse than you are so proud of it remains in the distant past, in books, songs, local landscape artists .
This and creative impoverishment. What became thin. School, the same hudgaf - mediocrity award diplomas in the same plus full commercialization. Alas!

But in fact very many of the world masterpieces were not created to feshenebelh streets of the capital cities .... and their creators lived far from the best of circumstances ....

[Fed]

Сообщение от tandem

Province, remote provinces, even by the standards of Ukraine.

I agree with some provisions, but to say that "not interesting" - error. Works by artists of the period go to $ 50000, 60000, and one "very provincial," because all of the 90000.

Another thing that works in the market is very small, and where did they go I can not imagine (this is the theme http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=107411).

And most importantly, do not forget how many artists fled from Odessa, and from the country. Famous, rich, and like as not already in Odessa.
Think of that Yuri Gorbachev (and many others).

Therefore, the situation is ambiguous in describing hud.zhizni Odessa-stick talent in Odessa silly, but it is something from Odessa.

[тандем]

Сообщение от Tana; 1533333"

.... to the great regret I do not live now in Odessa (but regularly come) and I really miss the countryside and to the part I do not have your snobbery, just want to note that unfortunately birth or residence in the capital does not guarantee the presence of mind, education, intelligence, talent (and a vivid confirmation of that - your messages).

You have no idea how lucky you are that you do not live now in Odessa .....

Сообщение от Tana; 1533333"

... but I was always drawn to Odessa

As to him whom much tyanet.Posle reading your and style, and in relation to the opponent, "purely Bazarno-imported" response, pulls to go wash my hands.

Сообщение от Fed

And most importantly, do not forget how many artists fled from Odessa, and from the country. Famous, rich, and like as not already in Odessa.
Think of that Yuri Gorbachev (and many others).

Therefore, the situation is ambiguous in describing hud.zhizni Odessa-stick talent in Odessa silly, but it is something from Odessa.

That's just run away, instinctively feeling the limitations of provincial microcosm.
Some were able to realize themselves in a new environment, perceiving new experiences and ideas of others. as for example the same V. Khruschev, and could not find a place in the new world, constantly stumbling on something "that was once" and that in fact it remained the only bright splash of their creative life.
In Odessa, really born, many talented people, but as you rightly pointed out, "hang around talent in Odessa, stupid." All of them are opened and became famous fleeing at the first opportunity.
In this regard, a very revealing fate Leizer Iosifovicha Vaysbeyna, better known as Leonid Osipovich Utesov.Pokinuv Odessa in the age of seventeen, a violinist-educated, he flew to Moscow and became a pop star in Leningrade.Kstati in love and kindred feelings Cliffs constantly confessed Leningrad and Muscovites, and not very fond of recalling his childhood past in a large Jewish family in Odessa petty officer.
 Few of directories. There's a trick - is to show that 70%of the material produced questionable proishozhdeniya.Zatem catalog ... and all - are questionable, "catalog." Naturally, this number is only with the artists whose work is on the market is small and familiar with these artists to two or three works. Odessa artists of the last century, in this sense, just the perfect material.Otsyuda and bursts of small-town patriotism in Ukrainian "market" of painting.

[Fed]

You should not struggle with Khrushchev, I have not met a single person, claiming that someone from Odessa avant-garde cool.

You can certainly say that the vanguard of the Odessa-nonsense, but then what's left of the post-war sov.avangarda in general, especially in Ukraine. It is clear that the main consumers - at his residence. If everything is measured on a global scale, the majority of Russian works of mediocre, but they still buy it right now for $ rabid.

Although the prices of Khrushchev, such as about 5000, but work is not visible. I doubt that when a decent (and not very good) work have long to persuade her to buy more expensive.

[SAH]

Сообщение от "tandem

- mediocrity award diplomas in the same plus full commercialization. Alas!

And in Kiev as a state of affairs?

[Tana]

tandem a good thing that there are those like you, I only will have more opportunities to buy works by your favorite artists sane prices.
(yes, all you can always find something positive).

[тандем]

Сообщение от Fed

You should not struggle with Khrushchev, I have not met a single person, claiming that someone from Odessa vanguard steeper.

What kind of fight is it? Resulted in a clear primer.Kstati if vanguard B. Individ "cool", then only because the artist went from Odessa to Moscow, and at least physically escaped from a provincial kruga.Pishu physically because In my opinion, a new creative impulse, this move is not made.

Сообщение от Fed

Although the prices of Khrushchev, such as about 5000, but work is not visible. I doubt that when a decent (and not very good) work have long to persuade her to buy more expensive.

 Look at the sale, rather than on their absence at auctions over the past god.K example in "The Age". In the "sale" - emptiness. There was a spike in prices and interest for the period 2005 - 2008, and that's why today he almost came to nothing better Odessa tell that supply the Ukrainian, rather Kiev auctions.

Сообщение от SAH

And in Kiev as a state of affairs?

In my opinion, is even worse.

[SAH]

Сообщение от "tandem

In my opinion - worse.

Thanked felt easier.
"Well, if worse, may make sense to start criticize here and so stormy to worry about the cities in which the worse.
Thank you Vivien is absolutely interesting and wonderful theme.

[Kaffsky]

"Apples and Kyiv-uncle."