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[Allena]

Сообщение от Samvel

That is all the same principle, something would have to earn money to invest, and what matters is the artist or craftsman. So, without attachments, I mean money, there is no artist.

"Not for Sale inspiration, but you can sell a manuscript" (C).
I think so: a work of art, if the author at some point decided to sell it (do not hang in a museum, do not donate, etc.), at this very moment acquires the properties of the goods. Yes, this is a specific product, but the brand manufacturer (sorry for such Exaggerating) depends on demand and price ... Nevertheless, I repeat, at this very moment the product, by the will of its author has become a commodity, begins to obey all the laws of promotion and sale of goods, operating in the market. Laws of economics.
Laws promoting common for different product groups, but a means of advancing different for each group of its own, there are altogether highly specialized, as in our case. In short, we must separate the creative aspects of financial and above all for yourself to understand, with what we are dealing with.

[Самвел]

Allena, all right you say, but look at what is sold today, basically, is a commodity, ie once said that it's not a sausage, but today it was a sausage, with all the ensuing consequences. I think the real, art, it is necessary to protect that, though it does not become a commodity, it should be if you want to hide, it should be protected from the dirty domogany glossy catalogs. Something with my reputation, so she grew up, even uncomfortable.

[Allena]

Samvel! Artists sell and will sell their work because they need to live, raise children, buy canvas and paint ... It always has been, not just today. Actually, the works of art, there are three ways: a museum, gift and market. Of these livelihood gives only the latter.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Allena

Samvel! Artists sell and will sell their work because they need to live, raise children, buy canvas and paint ... It always has been, not just today. Actually, the works of art, there are three ways: a museum, gift and market. Of these livelihood gives only the latter.

Museums also bought. Previously they had bought for just too "special" prices. Now there is a pleasant change. Not so long ago talking with the current head of the newest trends GTG, he said that they attract sponsors - to think that, in contrast to the "sponsors" who take the lead in organizing exhibitions, which are spent money with interest (very generous!) in the form of paintings are exhibited artist, it sponsors in vnerossiyskom meaning of the word - to provide funds for the purchase of works of art museums.

[Allena]

Сообщение от LCR

sponsors in vnerossiyskom meaning of the word - to provide funds for the purchase of works of art museums.

Yes, hopefully ...

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Samvel

that has all the same principle, something would have to earn money to invest, and what matters is the artist or craftsman. So, without attachments, I mean money, there is no artist. Just one and the same principle, production, and the work of art, I think it should not be.

You could not help identify important problem - the mediator, who is also between the artist and audience. Previously it was "directly." Art - good piece, it requires awareness and understanding of the cases. Discussing, we do not mean "artisans" and believe that the mediator can assess "who is who." We're just trying to understand why "not working". The artist has already "invested". The modern situation is that the ability to act as a businessman he has not. So - through intermediaries. And then the question - how competent this intermediary ...

[Самвел]

Сообщение от K-Maler

and we believe that the mediator can assess "who is who." We're just trying to understand why "not working". The artist has already "invested". The modern situation is that the ability to act as a businessman he has not. So - through intermediaries. And then the question - how competent this intermediary ...

The point is that the mediator is competent, but not in the subject, but in the psychology of the audience, he catches, not that interesting, but what is interesting in the business plan, then that might like let's say the majority.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Samvel

but what is interesting in commercial terms, then that might like let's say the majority.

Then somehow dropped out of the discussion, that the artist has always worked, one way or another, in order for the money, it was a profession. All the paintings that fill museums today were made as a commodity, for money and has always been known for what. Then there was a kind of "somersault" and the artist began to understand the way ... And the resale of this particular product has become a profession, too, from this moment and started having problems with both parties ...

[Самвел]

Сообщение от K-Maler

that the artist has always worked, one way or another, to order, for the money, it was a profession.

Not always, the artists worked, because they enjoy their work, traveled around the Soviet Union, in Russia, by inserting early in the morning, something would have time during, or even spend the night at the place you like to get up, and capture all on different days, at different times, in the fog, rain, vobschem it was an exciting game, I think so. They are rarely what they sold, they have been exhibited in prestigious museums in the country, and the council took away their work, so they are not paid, because they are happy when their works fall into the Tretyakovskuyu gallery, or to the Russian Museum, but in any museum. Only these artists are the future, the artists who are sick of his profession.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Samvel

artists who are sick of his profession.

Извените, there are objections:
1. no profession is not worth that because it hurt
2. artist - not so much a profession as a vocation, as well as a state of mind