Prices for contemporary art

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Chernomashentsev Vladimir, I just the last few years, the artist, so about the "stability" does not understand ..

(And about "messing around with art galleries, too, not quite-cho, this could mean?)

 I have sent to Russia on March 20 and March 30, two packets and so far none has come .. (What could it mean?) Throughout the world, promises to come, but the problem with Russia.

1) I looked at your activity on the forum that you draw is 20-30 years. Very pleased and memorable figure, where a woman in a turquoise disorder lies on the couch, but around something like scattered papers. Sell, eh? " But that is emphatically not like it. So I'm talking about instability.

2) About "messing around" galleries will explain more literary. "Messing around" - to find and negotiate with galleries, focusing on sales. You are very much written about this.

3) Do not scold Russia, as it can be a problem abroad. I once suffered from the world famous FedEx, when they sent pictures from Italy. No, I prefer the Russian Post all FedEx-am, DHL-s and other expensive law firms. In Russia, they are working, in fact, illegal and often through criminal customs brokers. My weight is transferred to such criminals, the office lost, it opened a criminal case. Service no. Official representative in Russia in FedEx no legal claim to show no one. I was looking for FedEx by police. You will be surprised, but have found.

[artcol]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

What customs do excist parcels? It was from Jasmin from Israel came quickly ...

Pierce long sharp pins - suddenly a terrorist is sitting inside.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

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3) Do not scold Russia, as it can be a problem abroad. I once suffered from the world famous FedEx, when they sent pictures from Italy. No, I prefer the Russian Post all FedEx-am, DHL-s and other expensive law firms. In Russia, they are working, in fact, illegal and often through criminal customs brokers. My weight is transferred to such criminals, the office lost, it opened a criminal case. Service no. Official representative in Russia in FedEx no legal claim to show no one. I was looking for FedEx by police. You will be surprised, but have found.

Confirm your experiences.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

I thought about your activity on the forum,

That's right, "so hungry": and-not-found yesterday has not played enough, and communicate in real nobody, and in addition there is a collective "mad house" and some little things (dskomfortnye) can be ignored ...

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

Do not scold Russia,

Never!

Сообщение от artcol

pierce long sharp pins - suddenly a terrorist is sitting inside the.

Really?

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

about "messing around" galleries will explain more literary. "Messing around" - to find and negotiate with galleries, focusing on sales. You are very much written about this.

Chernomashentsev Vladimir, Thank you for razyasnenie

Сообщение от artcol

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Then perhaps it makes sense to think about balee wide availability of the artist's works without intermediaries?

This too was discussed and solved completely
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Chernomashentsev Vladimir,
artcol, Here in this particular passage, I had meant by "affordability"-an easy, seamless connectivity concrete piece desired artist finding customers for quite a specific purpose.

That's why I devote so much attention just this voprosu.Ya believe that choosing the correct picture will remove automatically set vnetselevyh contacts and save time and energy in the future.
 Better to measure out 7 times ..
I just prsmatrivayus yet ... Consult knowledgeable people .. listen to the views of different members of different galleries and talk to the owners .. 'getting the Mind "(in other words) ...
Galleries-not attack, only to later do not divide.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

liked it and remember the pattern, where a woman in a turquoise disorder lies on the couch, but around something like scattered papers. Sell, eh? " But that is emphatically not like it. So I'm talking about instability.

Chernomashentsev Vladimir, any (reasonable), the artist happy to know that categorically do not like (and why)
In my opinion it is very valuable. (The reason for the categorical rejection can be any and may give a new idea, so-so please)
 (Maybe a topic for me, or in a personal-like prefer)

And the work that you described (50x60 cm acrylic on canvas). performed in the style of a magazine illustration and its "sister" bumazhnyev Sugruta museums (Museum of humor) (And where else) * and she had to go to Italy ..

*- Here the influence of the fact that "the artist of the first generation" - all must register, that where to send and that is where .. It just seems that these are trifles, and it turns out, is not it! (And it reached me on "Artinvestment" Forum!

[sur]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

Earn Money in the stock market is much easier than on the art market.

 I do not. In order to be successful in the stock market to live it. The same can be said about the art rynok.Lyuboy market does not like amateurs.
 Kirill gave good examples. This is probably not a random success, but someone consciously game.
 In any gathering a collection, you can take into account the investment component, the purchase of any of the authors. I think now there are some very interesting artists, who may soon considerably expensive.

 ARTCOL, not whether another ssylochku, and it something does not work.

[artcol]

Сообщение от sur

I do not. In order to be successful in the stock market to live it. The same can be said about the art rynok.Lyuboy market does not like amateurs.
 Kirill gave good examples. This is probably not a random success, but someone consciously game.
 In any gathering a collection, you can take into account the investment component, the purchase of any of the authors. I think now there are some very interesting artists, who may soon considerably expensive.

 ARTCOL, not whether another ssylochku, and it something does not work.

This? http://forum.artinvestment.ru/search...archid=2480361

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Сообщение от sur

Any market does not like amateurs.

Or vice versa

[sur]

Thanks, but, whisper it nemma.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от sur

I do not. In order to be successful in the stock market to live it. The same can be said about the art rynok.Lyuboy market does not like amateurs.

Totally, agree with you. Any case not like amateurs. Earn always professional. With the stock market, that market art. The market is growing - the intermediary earns falling market - the mediator also earns. Sometimes it makes even more on the panic-stricken investors. According to the statistics that I brought (and to protest against the figures difficult), the stock market is simply good, liquidity and safety. Do not want to stir up strong art market, but the increase in prices for now Stozharau unlikely to lead to more revenues, the family itself Stozharau. Or income of the last purchaser. To advertise the super-effective options can always be reduced post-factum.

Let me explain the situation to a neutral example:
This year, I constantly get offers from the management company of Alfa Capital. They propose to invest in new funds. As an example, result in good growth stock from 150 to 300%in 2009. I looked and decided not to respond. It is clear that in order to advertise these funds were formed after the fact, when it was clear what action you need to choose as an example. After all, in 2009, these funds are not there! Of the businesses that grew well in 2009, were formed pokazatelnve these figures. But anyone will understand that if the shares rose strongly, it is unlikely that this growth will continue further, and then fall. Often the market works "the law of the pendulum."
So with art. We can provide examples of successful making money after the fact. This accident, like a lottery. How, then, must be an expert to predict both? But in early 2000 did not have to be specialists to predict. How on the art market and the stock market. The real estate market. Then to go up almost everything. Then it will be harder.

PS

But sometimes it happens that non-professional amateur approach to the subject entirely from the other side and succeeds where not expected.

[sur]

Сообщение от sur

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Any market does not like amateurs.
Or vice versa

 I myself, yet, in any case do not think the pros. However, to teach reading, Nasrudin was taken even donkey . How can I study .

Сообщение от sur

So with art. We can provide examples of successful making money after the fact. This accident, like a lottery. How, then, must be an expert to predict both? However, in early 2000 did not have to be specialists to predict. How on the art market and the stock market. The property market. Then to go up almost everything. Then it will be harder.

  With hindsight it is all clever for sure.

  But I think that is not quite a lottery. We must listen to the advice and think of yourself. I think that some artists may go up even in a falling market. Even at the local auction lots were interesting. You yourself spoke about it and buy something.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от sur

Any market does not like amateurs.
  

This is from which side to look!

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Сообщение от artcol

Or vice versa

That's the phrase I liked it! Truly, words are not a boy, but an art dealer. Honest and clear when viewed from the perspective of the seller. Any market likes the profane. I do not blame the art market. I stress - any market like amateurs. It is easier to earn professionals.

[artcol]

Сообщение от sur

Thanks, but, whisper it nemma.

O-ho-ho, not my fault - forum stuff. I threw a link from your profile AleksandraG on which you can see all the topics they initiated.
To get this link to log in profile AleksandraG, tab "Statistics" and click on "Show all topics started by user.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

This is from which side to look!

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That's the phrase I liked it! Truly, words are not a boy, but an art dealer. Honest and clear in terms of the seller. Any market likes the profane. I do not blame the art market. I stress - any market like amateurs. It is easier to make.

You see, the dealer-seller (even pros) in any case have to take into account the realities of the market, the type of buyer for it. There is a mod for the Soviet - will offer the Soviet. Replaced on Contemporary Fashion - will offer it. That demand creates supply, and there is no accounting for tastes. There will be more highly cultured educated and intelligent people in the market that can independently formulate their queries - and dealers will adjust to their tastes. But my state grew. art market not care - I was in Russia not selling nearly.