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Сообщение от artcol; 2349041"

I just did not understand: what for (sorry) Russian investor to invest in Western painting?

On the walls of a decent home to hang paintings - paintings.
To do this, at least the paintings to buy.
But it is very sad when, after a while it turns out that these pictures will not worth the money paid early.
Hence there is interest in these pictures as well as to investments - capital investments for profit or, in the case of paintings, conservation investments, and also the desire to understand why some paintings go up in price, and others - are impaired, ie ., something understood in the art.
When it comes ponimante, it is not necessary to explain the difference between Rothko and Vasiliev Khrutskaya, Aivazovsky, Shishkin, Serov.
Well this understanding helps, for example, studies in art institutions: there and about the very painting obyanyayut and the history of art bad whether well, but teach.
I was lucky I was, but because a boy realized that Goncharova and Larionov - a good painting, and Repin - bad.

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calculate steam-consider how many tens and hundreds were added to the price? No, I do not understand this logic.

Well, it happens ... >

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

But it is very sad when, after a while it turns out that these pictures will not worth the money paid early and the guests at these pictures react strangely condescending smile.
Hence there is interest in these pictures as well as to investments - capital investments for profit or, in the case of paintings, conservation investments, and also the desire to understand why some paintings go up in price, and others - are impaired, ie ., something understood in the art.

Your reasoning is applicable to only to Russian specifics.
1) A mature market takes questions depreciation.
2) smiles indulgently in Russia (if you do not know), the West is not accepted.

You can call me a really rich man, to be the first seriously concerned by the question of price fluctuations on the painting on the wall? What is it, where is it? I do not understand ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I was lucky I was, but because a boy realized that Goncharova and Larionov - a good painting, and Repin - bad.

That Goncharova that Repin - make me yawn. Like a painting. But the essence is not in pigments and smears, this cultural value - and they are equally valuable in the context of the history of Russian culture, as if we are not to the merits of painting Repin ... I'm surprised to hear from you ... vkusovschina The more that people actually vote for Repin ruble, and do not feel stupid or tasteless others who were in thin. institutions ... But this is the way.

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Сообщение от artcol; 2349071"

What Goncharova that Repin - make me yawn. Like a painting.

Yes, I understand, because you are exactly in the painting do not understand.

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I'm surprised to hear from you ... vkusovschina

That there is a "vkusovschina"? I do not know.
Taste - yes, I know. But, as they say:

Сообщение от artcol; 2348361"

silly to argue about taste.

Although I personally do not see in the debate about taste something stupid.
No, a man that's just listens only hope Kadysheva or Philip Kirkorov, foolish talk about Motsate Shostokoviche and, I agree, but try to give it a listen kachestvennuyuestradu, for example, you can.
Suddenly he heard at least Eltona John and Sting, litter Besides "uptsa uptsa," there is something else.
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And yet, the question of the "closed alereyah."
One of the closed - is XL Gallery Elena Selina, and it is so full: "Support Fund nonprofit art projects XL".
I understand that you said that it is not enough, but that the very well-known in the West, Russian Gallery, it is for its existence since 1993, has conducted more than 200 exhibitions, participated in fairs Frieze, ArtHK, Art Basel, FIAC, The Armory Show, ARCO and represented Russia at the Venice Biennale (how many times - just not now say, but just 53rd in 2009: Corin and Shekhovtsov in the Russian pavilion and Makarevich Elagina - in the main project at Arsenal).

But, I understand that you are taking a domestic gallery sovriska nekii art shops, where they sell pictures of modern authors. >

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stupid to talk about and Motsate Shostokoviche

Who is it? >

Syzran, why are you so ignorantly write? So funny it looks in contrast with your aplomb >

Well, okay, let's not quibble ...

However , I understand that you are taking a domestic gallery sovriska nekii art shops , where they sell pictures of modern authors .

And that - it is not? They do not sell pictures including ?

But the conversation off to the side away from the topic.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2344371"

Thousands of cubic meters of birch or endless flowers in vases in gilded frames even now few of collectors interested.
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Eka's enough! If you have any extra bunches Grabar Kuprin Saryan Petrovicheva, Konchalovsky, Stipa, Tatlin, Kuznetsova send I will gladly accept.

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What Goncharova that Repin - make me yawn.

S.Mamontovu Wrobel said Repin do not know how to draw. When asked Mamontov-Are you serious? Wrobel said that, no of course, just not my LRA. August 31, 1900 Polenov wrote Antokolsky-his very surprised why the Paris Exhibition received an award-wannabe Nesterov Dubovsky and mediocrity, not the discoverer of original direction Vasnetsov. It is unlikely that a normal person would admire square Malevich, "Oh, what colors, what depth." If there is a painting? Not an ounce, but it is the story of painting, philosophy, and paid for it. Why pay for Rothko "want to have" a hundred million dollars in the billions of dollars not so much money. Just there is a painting as a hobby and is for the preservation and growth of capital. And sometimes mutually exclusive. And the soul can be like the only part of the artist, and the rest to be indifferent. For investments to conform to the market and build the forecast is often mistaken. Here is a summary.

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Just got a painting for the soul

This is probably

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opener original direction Vasnetsov.

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Сообщение от ANATOLY

Why pay for Rothko "want to be",

Look at Rothko - and no Mozart or Shostakovich in his head did not start their tram-pam-pam?

That's not a bit, nor kapelyushechki?


One can only read on the forum: "Here the old masters knew how to write, but ..."
and so on, as it should be in the cultural conversation.

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Сообщение от Sergey burly

Shostakovich

Like what?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2348891"

Collection Markina and now can sell for a profit .

As, I think, and other collections nonconformists from among the exhibition opened today at from the ice : contemporary art in Moscow 1960-80-h/Breaking the Ice: Moscow Art 1960-80 in the London contemporary art gallery of Charles Saatchi

BREAKING THE ICE: MOSCOW ART, 1960 -80s

21 Nov 2012 - 24 Feb 2013


Grisha Bruskin
Eric Bulatov
Semen Faibisovich
Francisco Infante
Ilya Kabakov
Vitaly Komar and Alexander Melamid
Alexander Kosolapov
Dmitry Krasnopevtsev
Ludmila Masterkova
Vladimir Nemukhin
Boris Orlov
Dmitry Plavinsky
Viktor Pivovarov
Dmitry Prigov
Oscar Rabin
Mikhail Roginsky
Evgeny Rukhin
Vadim Sidur
Leonid Sokov
Oleg Tselkov
Oleg Vassilev
Vladimir Veisberg
Yury Zlotnikov

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Сообщение от Sergei burly , 2350961"

can only read on the forum : "This is the old masters knew how to write, but ..." and so on, as it should be in the cultural conversation.

When I asked one of the artists who have so far all the regalia of recognition, why he and others like him are not empty in the painting to the winds ? His answer was simple , "We did not have the nerve to write well ." Where the old masters to the present . Today, top - art bare himself with water paint and rolling on the canvas and here's a masterpiece. And there is a lot of " art " showing that this is the real painting, and urgently need to buy, and then not enough at all . It was too much today in art came prophets , sowing seeds plevel.I really argue with such " experts" as Weibel, Tar, V.Tsereteli , lakes , Erofeev awarded the prize for the member for mostu.Oni us ignorant and do not argue , considering themselves the elite in the arts. Just a question , not you , really?