Where sunsets sovriska market?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Ah-ah-ah ...

Yes please (s)

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Сообщение от fabosch; 2225021"

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Sovrisk I have here is the whole indiscriminately all that is created and distributed today in the field of art. I believe that the objects created on the basis of new technologies of modernism value criteria apply, and am in this regard is not relevant to separate objects from the traditional plastic - not forgetting the fact that some of the plastic arts more proportionate to the psycho-physical nature of man, than the other . For example, the painting can better express subtle nuances of the state of mind than in the subject of installation, so the painting will remain an elite niche of its own in case of any artist. technology, and therefore, it is always to get a stable percentage of community service resources, spray with "excesses."
In my opinion the "elite" - is the key word that paints the future development of the market of traditional fine art in the long run.

fabosch, expansion of the market of contemporary art of the possible, not only through the inclusion of "art for the masses" (ie, increase the number of buyers from among these same masses), which naturally lead to lower trims and undesirable. Art market really elitist and at the stands. But the availability and structured information about the artists in one location will also increase due to the potential buyers of those who do not buy just because of the inability to physically attend all exhibitions (the distance from Moscow, employment) and most understand the subject, and go to the gallery or a counselor with questions does not want for fear that his "divorced"
Just information about the artists have to be submitted in the form of a set of pictures, as well as projects implemented + all the information about the artist video interviews + + + where to buy the criticism (the artist, gallery, mediator, etc.) Buyers do not need to collect information on particles of different sources. And the inclusion of only the projects implemented will cut the "lower" level, but will give the opportunity to "join the market," artists from the province (high) This base can use the curators are often limited in its ability to learn about a good artist, "not at the hearing." Gallery get new customers "on the side." It's like in advertising advertising agency is yet to give a discount on the advertising medium that make less than the cost of accommodation in the media. But it is really interesting to discuss important is the principle of an extension of the market due to improve its infrastructure.

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Сообщение от Tasha , 2236601"

information about the artists have to be submitted in the form of a set of pictures , as well as projects implemented + all the information about the artist video interviews + + + where to buy the criticism ( the artist , gallery , mediator , etc.)

So it's a description of a personal page (www.artistsname,,,,)
and some galleries do ..

Сообщение от Tasha , 2236601"

expanding markets improve its infrastructure.

What is meant by "improvement" ? "The Market" - this property will improve the life of the life - and - improved market
Who may be interested in this , and how? What is the mechanism ?

[Laura]

The idea is that art, as it may sound corny, too products. How good movies, books and music, they are designed to meet the spiritual and aesthetic needs. As for the infrastructure thin. market a good idea to make the general stock market, index card with all the artists, popularity ratings that have access to them without intermediaries. But I did byne immediately separate caste rating specialists - people will be looking for them, not people's opinions. This again creates a poisoned environment specialists caste favorite artists. Perception is art at all people are basically the same, experts simply know more, because all the clever and can obskazat. A man in the street "feelings" sees.

In order to motivate the masses to buy paintings, we need promotion and advertising. We need more shows on TV about the artists and paintings, and articles in the coolest magazines. Even if the produce cheap catalogs (as recently made one major publisher of ships, planes, etc) about the artists, people with udosvolstviem would buy them, do assignments, and developed a taste for painting inreres. And then you see, and would buy paintings for themselves (and not for the interior!)

  We need creativity and a lot of money. Let gallery is invested and bread, can also afford sometimes promotions involving artists, with competitions for the best story, the best portrait, etc. We need to raise good young artists, not kompeechnymi prizes, then unih be motivation to do better . But one gallery is not cope, and together are unlikely to work, they'll competitors. In general, the utopia is all ... <- ~ 2 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Tasha, 2236531"

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Artists do not produce meanings. Them or they illustrate or ignore).
And then who? Who wrote the text?

Сообщение от Tasha, 2236531"

Under the sincerity I did not mean naivety or innocence. Rather honesty in choosing "What." The "what," says the artist has to touch it to tremble at the knees. A form can be anything, it does not matter. If you know "what" you say, the form itself will come and fit perfectly. It can be a painting or installation, or object that you want.

Сообщение от Tasha, 2236531"

Art-lover, in all, I'm a good horror story smeshilkam, vertelkam, and so on. Unless of course the meaning of the utterance is not confined to the very effects or anecdote. Art is expanding its territory and there are issues that can not be open like in the picture. Besides, if you can increase the impact due to special effects, then why not. All of which helps to develop the theme may be. In contemporary art there are artists working powerfully, but usually they go beyond the relevance of at least one foot. Just those who are running the show at the Russian contemporary good to see that fresh blood will not spoil their ancestry, and will help to avoid degeneration. Another thing is that the blood must be really fresh, not a hundred years ago.

Tasha, those hypothetical modalities - may be - that live in your texts slozhnenko will instill in our mortal actual reality. )
Of doubt, if I had not fallen Chernukha not miss it any fresh positive, this morning visited the rookeries of the leading critics of sovriska. Not, as before, experts agree on a subject of good projects 1 percent of the total current flow. Which market do you want to build on such statistics?
Within a few decades of the contemporary art has gained the gold reserve standard techniques emblematizatsii reality in installation, performance, actions, that will last for 10,000 years. Do ideas draw from the fund, or to reinvent the wheel - are unchanged: AI design is based far more on marketing, design, engineering and NLP technologies than on their own artistic search.

Young recruits, "fresh blood" AI remind me artificially aged young oldies. They would do Love or War, and their conditioning coach at HS topic of the day.
These recruits are very few prerequisites to ripen to full spiritual perception of the complex realities of the modern world, without which it is impossible genuine sincerity of artistic empathy and artistic gesture. In the hectic training, exhibitions, empty flow of information they do not have time to get any deeper life experience nor the skills of independent thinking. And what are the meanings of these disabilities can produce art process? Only the naive and banal, and delve into that, there's no point.
In other words: is endless shuffle meanings for party AI. )
Those individual artists who deserve this title, be sure to "go beyond relevance" first one foot and then the other - it is only a matter of time).)
In order to develop our vast infrastructure of the AI ​​in the hope that these units added a dozen or two, we should be very optimistic and very wealthy man ...
Or should radical to change the approach to the market model.

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Сообщение от Art-lover; 2240681"

A few decades of the contemporary art has gained the gold reserve standard techniques emblematizatsii reality in installation, performance, actions, that will last for 10,000 years. Do ideas draw from the fund, or to reinvent the wheel - are unchanged: AI design is based far more on marketing, design, engineering and NLP technologies than on the actual artistic quest.

Art-lover, Everyone in life to reinvent the wheel, falls in love, despair, arguing with God or the universe, defending their right to happiness, crying, laughing, or fossilized in a stupor of despair. Millions more such acts of self-knowledge does not supersede any previous or subsequent. And the invention of his own bike in the situation swept a new generation of audio-visual and information collection is the only way to the development of art in our time.
Actually I'm talking about the fact that first of all artists need to stop thinking and try to keep up with the times, and then the time will manifest itself, but on a different level. We are immersed in our time, it is present in us and if you do not try to artificially use language of past centuries (which inevitably leads to profanity), then it will be read by contemporaries as "his." Even if a work of art no new technology or aypady-iPhones in the hands of the characters.
And curators catch up

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2240681"

Tasha, those hypothetical modalities - may be - that live in your texts slozhnenko will instill in our mortal actual reality. )

Art-lover, <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Yes, I am an idealist But, I think it is better than believing in a failure, give up and say that all has been said to me, who am I to say, I'd better keep quiet.

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2240681"

Young recruits, "fresh blood" AI remind me artificially aged young oldies. They would do Love or War, and their conditioning coach at HS topic of the day.
These recruits are very few prerequisites to ripen to full spiritual perception of the complex realities of the modern world, without which it is impossible genuine sincerity of artistic empathy and artistic gesture. In the hectic training, exhibitions, empty flow of information they do not have time to get any deeper life experience nor the skills of independent thinking. And what are the meanings of these disabilities can produce art process? Only the naive and banal, and delve into that, there's no point.

This is not entirely true. There are a number of young artists, to do something very personal, but apparently well within the criteria of relevance. I like how the example Tatiana Akhmetgalieva. Projects like her "Whisper", "incubator" Synthetics ".
There are others, for sure, I just do not know them.
Disabled art process, based on the crutches of others certainly more knowledge. But this is a tradition in art.

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2240681"

Or should radically change our approach to the market model.

Thanks for reminding me that we are actually talking about the market.
Market tighten
But to develop infrastructure still need to appear "new sincere" not floating in the air or down in the basement. And how, I can not say. Still, I'm not an economist or manager.

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Сообщение от Tasha , 2241181"

" New sincere " is not floating in the air or down to the basement .

I think the main thing is , do not go down to the basement ... ( conformist , perhaps? )

2. when the public cope with the educational program and will sign the file in a human ?
(instead of : 555669_518363481512305_1510243739_n.jpg ( 1 of 2) , author, year , and all belonging parafineliyu ) ?

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Сообщение от Tasha , 2227161"

Emerging new artists fall into the trap of actually "here and now " can not make any sense, it is one-dimensional and does not capture the cultural layers of consciousness. And a multi-dimensional work of art can make the viewer feel something. Motive for buying and " I feel something " is replaced to the tune of "I was told that it was good "
Update to the market may become sovriska motto - New Sincerity !!!!

Sergei Khachaturov article in " ArtChronika " of the "New Sincerity"
http://artchronika.ru/vystavki/i-am-who-i-am/?nggpage=2