Problems and prospects of the Russian art market - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Ольга Озолина · 13-06-2011, 10:15

Sergei Zagraevsky recently wrote an article on this subject, and it seemed interesting to discuss it on the forum.
I liked it, but I would like more specifics.
If not in the article, the discussion of it can be.

http://zagraevsky.com/market.htm

Dogel · 13-06-2011, 12:22

The Russian market of contemporary art, there are problems, "and even what" and the prospects are, once again, "and even some".

Price and quality, that's where the dog rummaged .....

Olga, how many (denezhek) we can estimate the creature above this author?

тандем · 13-06-2011, 12:38

Quote - "For those who are not traces the vicissitudes of global politics, explaining: BRICS - is used throughout the world stands for" Brazil, Russia, China, India, South Africa, and it means that these countries are about the same level of socio- economic development. In other words, Russia is in the minds of the West took place among the so-called Third World. "Accordingly, at Western auctions has been quoted and contemporary Russian art. Nature's not be fooled: the level of world interest in the art of any country depends on the interest itself country. And who, by and large, the interests of "third world"? only a narrow circle of specialists. "

The author of porridge in your head, and he obviously does not monitor the vicissitudes of global politics. "If we talk about the economy, China, India and Brazil - the world's most rapidly growing economies, and to encourage investment of equal today net.Rossiya on their background - vulgar raw material appendage of the state Mego-corruption. Relatively culture-all of the above mentioned countries have very different cultural traditions and integrate them culturally, based on the "level of socio-economic development" could only be an artist, scientist, writer (strange that more and composer) Sergei Zagraevsky.
The author obviously has no idea what the art market, what are its components and is taken to talk about problems. And even gives a recipe-pending "until the general geopolitical situation will change in Russia's favor." With "art public "(!?) create "a single management mechanism and then follows a set of arguments is whether the artist is a" progressive "cultural officials, but ... thank God, all this nonsense ends pathetically, in the spirit of editorials of the newspaper" Soviet Culture "
QUOTE - "Tyutchev wrote:" In Russia one can only believe. "And let someone calls those who believe in a better future for their country, idealists and dreamers - in fact such a belief is quite pragmatic, since it is easier to carry any adversity. "

artcol · 13-06-2011, 13:06

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Originally Posted by tandem

create " a single management mechanism "

... and lead it . And how ? !

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Originally Posted by Olga Ozolina

trouble is just that the West perceives as Russia . Z. wrote : " In other words , Russia in the minds of the West has taken place among the so- called "third world " . In the minds of the West , not ZAGRAEVSKY )))

Obviously , Zagraevsky makes this conclusion from its situation " neodetskih " Study . Is there really no interest to anyone - your complete .
Russia can not be thrown out of the global art context . Culture has always rests on the shoulders of their predecessors ( c) ( quote not exact , it seems Pasternak ) . So the place of honor is not among the countries of the third world we deserve . But on the Global market nobody needs a rehash and sucked from the finger concepts , as well as weakness , masked for all sorts of isms and titles .

Shl I now wonder why the author wrote this article ? There's even a debate is not about anything - all sucked from the finger "from " and "before" . A striking example of provincial small-town mentality in the era of globalization .

Ольга Озолина · 13-06-2011, 13:30

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Originally Posted by artcol

Obviously , Zagraevsky makes this conclusion from its situation " neodetskih " Study . Is there really no interest to anyone - your complete .
Russia can not be thrown out of the global art context . Culture has always rests on the shoulders of their predecessors ( c) ( quote not exact , it seems Pasternak ) . So it is not a place of honor among the third world we deserve . But on the Global market nobody needs a rehash and sucked from the finger concepts , as well as weakness , masked for all sorts of isms and titles .

And what you need there from Russia ? Would you favor the tradition of Russian realism " ? Its a realism as complete on the west ) ) There's just complete. Biedermeier tradition , for example ) ) or pre-Raphaelite , Victorian , etc.

artcol · 13-06-2011, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Olga Ozolina

What you need there from Russia ? Would you favor the tradition of Russian realism "? That something as complete on the west )) I just completely . Biedermeier tradition , for example ) ) or pre-Raphaelite , Victorian , etc.

The answer is simple :

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But on the Global market nobody needs a rehash and sucked out of thin concepts , as well as weakness , masked , for every isms and titles .

You can still like this to say: Zagraevsky - scoop the purest water . And his ratings sucked from the finger , and his articles - such as scoops . So okay ?

" What a scoop can speculate about what he has no idea ?

Threat And about doom ZAGRAEVSKY : I think he needs to Vekselberg send your article, I think he looks familiarize

" finance the publication of his ranking in the West

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Ольга Озолина · 13-06-2011, 15:15

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Originally Posted by artcol

The answer is simple :

You can still like this to say: Zagraevsky - scoop the purest water . And his ratings sucked from the finger , and his articles - such as scoops . So okay ?

" What a scoop can speculate about what he has no idea ?

Does not specify what exactly Sov Z. and his views on the art market ? And what's his ranking ? I thought the contrary , it is increasingly toward globalization refers .

artcol · 13-06-2011, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Olga Ozolina

did not specify what exactly Sov Z. and his views on the art market ? And what's his ranking ? I thought the contrary , it is increasingly toward globalization is .

The scale of the problems ( ogogo! ! ) - and the execution ( gygygy! ! )

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Well, the details , of course , they scoop the most bold and hides . The concept of nomenclature is familiar to you? Sov such a thing ...

By the way , is very curious why you thought

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Originally Posted by Olga Ozolina

Conversely , it is more to globalization concerns .

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Ольга Озолина · 22-06-2011, 23:54

That's a no , but the cast of the Western art market:
http://www.artfacts.net/en/artists/by-ranking.html
Why are there so few artists with an index of "RU"? Is it because that ZAGRAEVSKY rights , and we are still out there seen as a "third world "?

I remembered him long ago there was a special article on this subject , when there is no BRIX was not:
http://zagraevsky.com/thirdrome.htm

It is a pity that it has so many here are bad . I, of course , biased because his colleague , but still "bear the prophet in his own country ."

Dogel · 23-06-2011, 00:09

Olga Ozolina you have a sect, but ZAGRAEVSKY prophet or just to work here, using the forum Tits?
?

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тандем Гуру Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,111 Thanks: 435 Thanked 1,608 Times in 686 Posts Reputation: 3213	Quote - "For those who are not traces the vicissitudes of global politics, explaining: BRICS - is used throughout the world stands for" Brazil, Russia, China, India, South Africa, and it means that these countries are about the same level of socio- economic development. In other words, Russia is in the minds of the West took place among the so-called Third World. "Accordingly, at Western auctions has been quoted and contemporary Russian art. Nature's not be fooled: the level of world interest in the art of any country depends on the interest itself country. And who, by and large, the interests of "third world"? only a narrow circle of specialists. " The author of porridge in your head, and he obviously does not monitor the vicissitudes of global politics. "If we talk about the economy, China, India and Brazil - the world's most rapidly growing economies, and to encourage investment of equal today net.Rossiya on their background - vulgar raw material appendage of the state Mego-corruption. Relatively culture-all of the above mentioned countries have very different cultural traditions and integrate them culturally, based on the "level of socio-economic development" could only be an artist, scientist, writer (strange that more and composer) Sergei Zagraevsky. The author obviously has no idea what the art market, what are its components and is taken to talk about problems. And even gives a recipe-pending "until the general geopolitical situation will change in Russia's favor." With "art public "(!?) create "a single management mechanism and then follows a set of arguments is whether the artist is a" progressive "cultural officials, but ... thank God, all this nonsense ends pathetically, in the spirit of editorials of the newspaper" Soviet Culture " QUOTE - "Tyutchev wrote:" In Russia one can only believe. "And let someone calls those who believe in a better future for their country, idealists and dreamers - in fact such a belief is quite pragmatic, since it is easier to carry any adversity. "

22-06-2011, 23:54	Original language: Russian #9
Ольга Озолина Местный Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Москва Posts: 159 Thanks: 44 Thanked 202 Times in 70 Posts Reputation: 395	That's a no , but the cast of the Western art market: http://www.artfacts.net/en/artists/by-ranking.html Why are there so few artists with an index of "RU"? Is it because that ZAGRAEVSKY rights , and we are still out there seen as a "third world "? I remembered him long ago there was a special article on this subject , when there is no BRIX was not: http://zagraevsky.com/thirdrome.htm It is a pity that it has so many here are bad . I, of course , biased because his colleague , but still "bear the prophet in his own country ."