Trinity Rublev /Sad news from the Tretyakov Gallery

[Selene]

Сообщение от Meister

sss, iosif, would the church to have to give it the normal conditions? I sincerely still where she weighs, most importantly, to make it as much as possible preserved. And because the church will advocate for the postulate of "self maintained", and in him, as I said, I do not believe it!

Hm: (Why us Orthodox inchurched, society perceives isklyuchelno as people of limited, poorly educated and is defined as obscurants (such vysskazyvaniya in inete in the debate on this subject met several times)? For the ROC, and the faithful this icon - an artifact. Lists with her is in every church. And among the clergy, both black and white a lot of people who have an excellent education.
Issues of self-preservation and self-renewal, probably best left outside the discussion. Ensure conditions of preservation, of course, necessary. But better safe - God saves. And if the crowds standing before an icon for some reason is really dangerous, you can simply restrict access. For example, put in one of the churches of the Kremlin.

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Сообщение от sss

If we suppose that Mr. L. Nersessian, really despises all her heart about keeping a masterpiece, and in the heat of emotion took everything that happens as a looming truck

Nersessian deliberately provoked a regular cat's scandal ... Go, Stoll look at this Nersessian? I'm from the Tretyakov Gallery at 50 meters working: D.

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Сообщение от Selene

Go, Stoll look at this Nersessian?

Dear expert, but a little on the icons ... how to gently say something? obsessed. He is very much in the subject, which, incidentally, very well.

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Сообщение от Selene

And among the clergy, both black and white a lot of people who have an excellent education.

Recently listened to a famous educated:

[Selene]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Dear expert, but a little on the icons ... how to gently say something? obsessed. He is very much in the subject, which, incidentally, very well.

Not understand who and what obsessed?

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And I called it.

[Selene]

I am now at work, a column with no headphones, too

[sss]

Сообщение от Meister

... but would the church to have to give it the normal conditions? And because the church will advocate for the postulate of "self maintained", and in him, as I said, I do not believe it!

«itself continue» and «itself retain» ... As they say, feel the difference. 8)
The icon was in the Tretyakov Gallery when had to get into the fire - this applies to single quotation marks.
And if you come down from heaven to earth, then ...
Church - this is not a house with a cross, and not a handful of priests (under the auspices of the Kremlin), surrounded by crazy fans. This half of Russia. In addition to the Commandments, the sacraments, dogmas, etc., is also a people united by faith, some of whom are grandmothers, children, Russian Jews, poor, rich, janitors, physicists, nuclear scientists and staff GTG including.
Oh, and why the church should not be interested in maintaining a masterpiece? She will be grateful to take the luggage of knowledge, advice and assistance from both their "own" experts and from experts from outside. It is not necessary that the wiring in the church to do necessarily Orthodox electrician. With regards to technical equipment, lack the brains to build churches, to repair the roof, involving new technologies where it is permissible.
In the end, the house icon could be supervised by the same experts GTG - is a matter of agreement, not more.

It is clear that physically the icon will remain better where she will provide normal conditions for preservation. But once, after all, conceive that she lives not only warm air and moisture, but still something more, that his hands can not touch.

Сообщение от Gala

... we are here on this did not come. What is the property of Russia, is acknowledged by all.
It was a matter of where and who better to keep it, and here is the main divide between believers and nonbelievers.

Gala, quoting SergeiSK, not to argue with him (he had expressed his point of view), but in order to respond to your earlier email: "This icon is a national treasure. Throughout Russia, and not just the church. And place it in a museum, but not at the altar of the temple, even the best.
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Watershed - a hundred pieces, their designated Mr. L. Nersessian, solving their personal problems with his superiors. Here's the translation is the same in the provincial museum with the "provincial" icon - is unlikely he would stamp his feet, and is unlikely to have caused such a passionate discussion, although the subject matter would remain unchanged.

[Glasha]

Сообщение от sss

Finally, in the temple of the icon can be under the supervision of the same experts GTG - is a matter of agreement, not more.

It is clear that physically the icon will remain better where she will provide normal conditions for preservation. But once, after all, conceive that she lives not only warm air and moisture, but still something more, that his hands can not touch.

The most correct solution, but would still like to bring it up to those on whom it depends?

[Selene]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Dear expert, but a little on the icons ... how to gently say something? obsessed. He is very much in the subject, which, however, well.

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Tuk can this obsessed considers subordinate icons as its PRE-E-ELEST "?: Eek:
No, you got me even more intrigued! : confused: tomorrow, next day, buy a ticket and ask to show Nersessian.

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Сообщение от Selene

tomorrow, next day, buy a ticket and ask to show Nersessian.

Sorry, but he is on the wall there hangs in the permanent exhibition.
It is art. Researcher at the Department of Old Russian art GTG.

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And I wondered why no one in the museum did not take the icon of the Virgin of Saint Luke Kikos monastery, but she seems to be on more than a thousand years older than the Trinity?
Even if we forget that the icon is not a picture (board, canvas), and if we continue the logical chain of justification for the expert - all masterpieces of art and to remove the need to conserve in perpetuity spets.hranilischa ever and no one showing only the most-most experts on special . permissions after spets.obrabotki?