Shishkin

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от lazycat

And because the price of it - not three kopecks. And it's a little bit empty, not the most commercial. Yes, and ask for him as a locomotive.

After this landscape, it was another 7 things exhibited with works of authorship Shishkin. 3 of them were sold.
Namely (in chronology):
The Brook
Hammer price USD 600,000
EUR 407,880 - USD 600,000 - GBP 364,980
Estimate USD 650,000 - 850,000
Medium Oil /canvas
Sales date 11/2/2009
Location New York NY (US)
Size 77.5x62 cm - (30 1/2x24 3 /8 in)
Auction house Sotheby's
Dated --
Lot number 19
Distinguishing marks signed Bas Droite
Notes Moscow, Tretyakov Gallery, 1948
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Woodland Grove
 Hammer price GBP 100,000
EUR 111,210 - USD 166,810 - GBP 100,000
Estimate GBP 80,000 - 120,000
Medium Oil /paper /canvas
Sales date 11/30/2009
Location London (GB)
Size 46x33 cm - (18 1/8x13 in)
Auction house Sotheby's
Dated --
Lot number 204
Distinguishing marks - Bas Gauche 
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Forest Clearing
Hammer price GBP 65,000
EUR 72,286 - USD 108,426 - GBP 65,000
Estimate GBP 40,000 - 60,000
Medium Oil /canvas /board
Sales date 12/1/2009
Location London (GB)
Size 38x29.5 cm - (15x11 5 /8 in)
Auction house Sotheby's
Dated c.1890
Lot number 308
Distinguishing marks - Bas Droite

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

You are such a tree have in mind?

I had a great view of the case of a complete composition. But there are sketches of the artist, where he finds the desired object type and sketched and wrote with his sketch. Then there can get everything that was close ... But this usually does not sign or sign then, and not as pretentious as the big picture. Or write the area on the reverse side ... You have shown something like a fragment.

[Игорь Гурьев]

And there are times when a true picture put fake signature.

I have seen such.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

But there are times when a true picture put fake signature.

Sometimes the artists themselves in 2-3 years after completion of the work to sign, but on small sketches, and 10-15 years after writing the work .. including with signatures should be taken (if the picture is 70-100 years and more).
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Сообщение от sergejnowo

It's a pity that the discussion of the originality is based only on

There is an interesting book: Luzhetskaya AN, oil painting by Russian masters from the XVIII to the beginning of XX century. M., 1965.
About IIShishkin it is a good article ...
If you have not read recommend useful monograph .. (researched reference pictures of SRM and GTG ..)
Alla was a great restorer and art historian.
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[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

there are times when a true picture put fake signature.

Now it is all too often ... Since was not accepted (in Soviet times) to sign and now relatives and friends to sign the front side, because required by customers, and this is in some sense legitimate and even necessary. For example, the practice was to hang pictures in hotels and other public places, etc. Anyone coming up could read the artist's name. Bother with signs people do not want and can not, and it was then not easy to make a plate. As a signature is nothing sacred, it is not very convenient to display on the canvas, there is always artificial, even when the artist himself puts it, sometimes it is hard drawn, it does not scratch, which no one could repeat ... It is important to match, I know that expressing controversial opinions and do not in all cases, of course, so you can do. This observation may relate mostly artists of the Soviet era ... Especially because this is happening constantly.

[lazycat]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

After this landscape, it was another 7 things (not rasmatrivaya category Attrib., There's a remarkable moment), put up for auction with works of authorship Shishkin. 3 of them were sold.
Namely (in chronology):
The Brook
Hammer price USD 600,000
EUR 407,880 - USD 600,000 - GBP 364,980
Estimate USD 650,000 - 850,000
Medium Oil /canvas
Sales date 11/2/2009
Location New York NY (US)
Size 77.5x62 cm - (30 1/2x24 3 /8 in)
Auction house Sotheby's
Dated --
Lot number 19
Distinguishing marks signed Bas Droite
Notes Moscow, Tretyakov Gallery, 1948
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Woodland Grove
 Hammer price GBP 100,000
EUR 111,210 - USD 166,810 - GBP 100,000
Estimate GBP 80,000 - 120,000
Medium Oil /paper /canvas
Sales date 11/30/2009
Location London (GB)
Size 46x33 cm - (18 1/8x13 in)
Auction house Sotheby's
Dated --
Lot number 204
Distinguishing marks - Bas Gauche 
______________________
Forest Clearing
Hammer price GBP 65,000
EUR 72,286 - USD 108,426 - GBP 65,000
Estimate GBP 40,000 - 60,000
Medium Oil /canvas /board
Sales date 12/1/2009
Location London (GB)
Size 38x29.5 cm - (15x11 5 /8 in)
Auction house Sotheby's
Dated c.1890
Lot number 308
Distinguishing marks - Bas Droite

Note, The Brook was sold too, for decent money.
Hammer price USD 600,000, it is not an auction of restitution.

The problem is that the auction "record" has nothing to do with our realities. Today's auction "sale" rather indicate the level of corruption auction houses, rather than the reality.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

lazycat,

It is good that there are people who boldly and openly declare that "Korovin Pobol I understand many of today's experts on the artist."
It is good that the message of "large set of standard X-rays in the Grabar" they laugh.
It is good that they can see through the monitor authenticity "sketch" in size


All this is wonderful.
It is not clear to me only the relationship of such experts to other participants in the forum, not as talented, capable and knowledgeable.

Quite simply, Cyril! "Masters of sports of all kinds of sports" - is a serious side effect of the Internet. Boltanul nonsense with a serious air and no one to answer not drag - net boltologiya. And if you do not understand or did not see, it is better to keep silent.

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Сообщение от K-Maler

Now it is all too often ... Since was not accepted (in Soviet times) to sign and now relatives and friends to sign the front side, because required by customers, and this is in some sense legitimate and even necessary. For example, the practice was to hang pictures in hotels and other public places, etc. Anyone coming up could read the artist's name. Bother with signs people do not want and can not, and it was then not easy to make a plate. As a signature is nothing sacred, it is not very convenient to display on the canvas, there is always artificial, even when the artist himself puts it, sometimes it is hard drawn, it does not scratch, which no one could repeat ... It is important to match, I know that expressing controversial opinions and do not in all cases, of course, so you can do. This observation may relate mostly artists of the Soviet era ... Especially because this is happening constantly.

A real-life examples can lead? Or so purely hypothetical?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от lazycat

The problem is that the auction "record" has nothing to do with our realities.

In auction records, I have cited, there is no "records", they see the price level is hammerprays of 600 000 dollars for comparison with

Сообщение от lazycat

And because the cost to him - not three kopecks. And it's a little bit empty, not the most commercial. Yes, and ask for him as a locomotive.

That's what I bring those prices.
And by "our realities" Those prices have "nothing", I agree. Dully at 2 multiplies the happy owner of the lot, when his home is imported, and then another, and the mediators are added to the free, that's the price slyshish "locomotive" and arprays you look for interest and even on the appetites of dealers an idea.

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Сообщение от lazycat

It's simple, Kirill! "Masters of sports of all kinds of sports" - is a serious side effect of the Internet. Boltanul nonsense with a serious air and no one to answer not drag - net boltologiya. And if you do not understand or did not see, it is better to remain silent.

I'm sorry, that's not understood ...
Or rather, did not understand about the "master of sports of all kinds of sports" is you in my garden a stone? And "boltanul nonsense with a serious look" is also about me?
That is to explain, please. I hope you have something "boltologiey" on this forum a forum is not going to do, are responsible for their words.

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lazycat, I understand that many here irritates my activity.
But I simply hard to ignore the topic, where I see a big ? during the day and 0 answers.
I think the answer should be.
Even because of common courtesy.
Or not?

[sergejnowo]

Cyril Syzransky, now a third day trying to find who and when offered the job at UUU.
Just remember that the requested 500,000 euros.
Around mid-2009.
Something I can not find.
Do not you remember?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

sergejnowo, the very picture showed 22.04.2009, 16:03.
And the price has already voiced 26.04.2009, 12:14.
Yes, 5000 euros and a bonus who buys:

Bonus! - Sim card BT Cellnet, the account 40 Eng. pounds.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от lazycat

A real-life examples can lead? Or so, purely hypothetically?

Realistic examples are connected with real people.