Can a fake without a market?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

robbed, and the author and the buyer.

Buyer? How to steal from him?
And as the author?

[AlexanderG]

Kirill, ia s vami soglasen. Vorovstvom eto pytaiutsia sdelat '. Ob intellektual'noi sobstvennosti ia uze vyskazalsia.

Dobaliu k etomu tirazirovanie, Gollivudskie gonorary, kartiny za $ 150,000,000 i tomu podobnoe, eto elementarnoe nesootvetstvie platy za usilie.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

I doiti do programmistov i hudoznikov.

They pay for the invention of oily paint? Or manufacturer of paints?

Although the inventor of oil painting (as previously) Jan van Eyck was not all the same.

[AlexanderG]

Tak ze mozno upomianut 'uchitelei: ia tebia nauchil, dal tebe now how, bud' liubezen plati do skonchaniia veka.
S kazdoi kartiny otstegni protsentik, tehniku ia ze tebe dal. Nu i tak dalle do absurda, koim i iavliaetsia intellektual'naia sobstvennost '.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

intellektual'naia sobstvennost '

I think that the issue of fakes on the market this issue, intellectual property, has a little attitude.
This is not an argument in the fight against fakes. Or a weak argument and not know who to call.

[mihailovoh]

Cyril Syzransky,
In Radel prodazh.nekotorye tovarischi.sebya just humiliated offering massively ...
It would be better authors sold their raboty.polza would be and the author. Pokupatelyu.a and may their children.
Fakes without market-edenichnye If approved ambitions hudozhnika.rynok turned it into a business fraud
Intellectual property (a small part of it) is expressed in money in the name of the buyer and gone for the fake money to avtora.uveren.chto part of the money had gone to the forgery otrazalas would raise prices for his work for existing hudozhnikov.navernoe and gone

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

AlexanderG,
 The logic veschey.vinovaty zakonodateli.tk. is an ordinary fraud and mass distribution was still in the early 20th veka.a now become a business fraud.
A first person (or yourself if hudozhnik.diller collector ...) conceiving adventure with forgery.
Blame eksperty.ne suggest principles for the unique skills and rules examination.
Dealers have information about the doubts and did not put this to the buyer.
The artist performs under the order ..... did not put their signatures or put not his.
To blame the collector is hardly possible, we are all a little crazy and willing to hope for a miracle and end up postradavshimi.Nelzya blame the sponsors for their populyarnost.tk.s one hand, this recognition of their talanta.a with other damage to their imedzhu to the future.

That is, if I understand you correctly, the artist, who knowingly makes a fake must share the responsibility (at least morally) with the dealers and experts?

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Ego opravdyvaet suschestvovanie rynka. Suschestvovanie ekspertov, suschestvovanie zelaiuschih vstupit 'v sdelku itd. Obosnovat 'mozno, chto ugodno.

If we follow your logic, anyone with the law (whether moral or legal rules) is justified by the fact that the world around him is sinful (criminal,)! That is not my fault, because all around are guilty? So what I want it as I please? I am an artist, a creator, surrounded by greedy villains on all sides, with a bribe me - smooth! But the dealer and the expert can say the same thing! Strange, however, the situation ...

[mihailovoh]

Tjutchev,
You are correct ponyali.hudozhnik should be responsible for poddelki.a legislator should consider what is it? (For dealers and experts and even professional correspondence) I would set materialnuyu.no my opinion is not decisive.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

A signature is not the appropriate application of the author and is poddelka.sovremenaya net.dazhe it or when the work performed by students.
I have long exactly this question interisoval-whether my work kleverkov * * with the native signature S Klever be considered authentic. (Although on luxury provenans.ekspertizy GTG.Grabarya)
Naverno.kto thrill and for his Ayvazovski?

Сообщение от mihailovoh

In ekpertizah ukazano.chto work performed W clover and students. signature matches the reference. I incidentally. gave a list of known works M.V.Obolenskogo.tam is not a job. he performed the work in the studio of clover in the early 20th

Here I do not quite understand your question. In my opinion, everything is clear, your pictures are among the authorship of which is defined as "studio Clever. If the expert believes that this is so, and he must write. Of course, the expert may be mistaken, but that is another question ...

That Clover puts his signature on the work of his students, it is well-known fact! The first 15 years of his career (roughly until the mid 80's.) He was very much in demand artist. His popularity rivaled in popularity Shishkin. Sam Clover lived in a big way. And, as you know, good enough does not happen! Yes, and he was a man of great soul, to lend money to, not demanding repayment. In a word - Hussar! I think that is what played a cruel joke with a talented painter. This way of life demanded more and more new spending, but there is humanly possible, and the time is not rubber. Then came perhaps his idea to sign the work of his students, giving them their own. Having done this once or twice, he could not stop. Moreover, he has always been justified by the fact that such a practice until it has occurred in Western Europe.
 
Period when Clover allowed himself to sign someone else's work, is about the middle of his creative work (the mid 80's - 90-e gg.). Also this time and creative decline Julia Yul'evich. Together, plus a huge number of imitators, whose works are sometimes issued for the work of clover, and served as the perception of clover as a weak artist, and even trivial, which of course is not true! Sam Clover realize their own creative bankruptcy of his period, and publicly admitted that it published (I think in the early 900-x) in the distribution of the St. Petersburg newspaper "more full and frank confession article entitled" Confessions of Julia Clever. He wrote: "I worked quickly and ... a lot of stops to explore the nature, use prepared impressions and wrote one after another their" kleverovskie "pictures with winter ash-pink sunset, and horned trees ..."

Of course, Julius Yulievich created many problems for the living fans of his work. And this means that part and its responsibility for the confusion that has arisen around his work. But as they say, "the fact and pike to carp was not asleep ..."

[mihailovoh]

Tjutchev,
For ekspertiz.ya about it and talked.
We need a common standard. So there was no work SE Klever (this particular example of course). If this workshop SW Klever.
There were a variety of forms ekpertiz.a would be generally accepted methods and Research for the works of different periods and td.Serezno has been discussed by general base work hudozhnikov.v accessible mode (albeit paid)
Base map for podazham makes a great contribution to combat poddelkami.a red dot, I would have made available without a subscription.