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Старый 02.11.2009, 18:55 Язык оригинала: Русский       #71
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Here's an interesting picture of the artist Maria Vasilyeva with one of Europe. auction. "Lovers", 1950, x /m
Biting price-estimation: 60 000 /80 000?
I do not think so. that the post in the right place, (this topic is specifically about Luce Voronova)



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Старый 02.11.2009, 19:03 Язык оригинала: Русский       #72
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White and fluffy ....
All thanks for фоты, A Luce (again) my compliments and wishes for a good interesting holiday!

PS "white and nushisty" - (nothing personal) Just Lyusina perception of such a frank, open and positive and all her portraits are positive and harmony ... (could not read the message, does not open ..)
A holiday wishes, because I see a titanic work (and I wish otdozhnut-splash in the warm sea!)
Thank you! Do not want to go anywhere, be lifted from raboty.V my workshop and the sea and mountains, sky, zvezdy.Horosho!



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Старый 02.11.2009, 19:15 Язык оригинала: Русский       #73
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In my workshop and the sea and mountains, sky, zvezdy.Horosho!
And rightly so!
As one friend said: "I am with myself not bored."



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Старый 02.11.2009, 21:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #74
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I do not want to go anywhere, to break away from work.
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And rightly so!
No, wrong! -We must make ourselves!



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Старый 23.11.2009, 11:28 Язык оригинала: Русский       #75
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Died, Lucy!
I think that the personal message that I sent to you, until you have not come down. I somehow do not understand the menu of personal communications.
Therefore, I decided to write to your topic.
Once again - Welcome!
Delighted to your success - the creative and in this forum.
If there is an opportunity - come to the exhibition Baumanskaya school of painting.
Good luck.



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Старый 23.11.2009, 11:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #76
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Sergey Dorodny, thanks!



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Старый 23.11.2009, 12:18 Язык оригинала: Русский       #77
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lusyvoronova, with your permission .. interesting article, I liked. (EA)
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Sergei Zagraevsky

For a start - a small excursion to the lay reader in the history of naive art. For the art historian, this tour can be a "starting point of reconciliation" with the author.
So, what is naive art? (In Russia's tradition - primitivism, I personally prefer the term "naivizm").

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in the classic sense - it is within that emerged in the 20 th-30 th years of the twentieth century and personified the spiritual impulse of nonprofessionals (Pirosmani, Henri Rousseau), and beginning professionals (Chagall). In the future, the most striking naivisty - Grandma Moses (USA), Generalić (Yugoslavia), Maria Primachenko (Ukraine) ...
The list could be extended, but the overall impression of the canonical naivizma - "painting of pensioners", "spiritual impulse amateurs", "child's play of adults."

Naivizm today recognize the art, perhaps, almost all critics, but the attitude most of the above.

This classic understanding naivizma, and here I stop searching shared point of departure from the traditional fine arts and art historians ask questions:
I think that the color and shape Gauguin (especially the Polynesian period) are strongly reminiscent of naivizm. And, for example, Sisley - if I could assign it to naivizmu? (The answer I already knew: no, no! Only to Impressionism or post-impressionism).
A Luba? (Answer: "World of Art").
And, incidentally, very Benoit? (The answer is the same, but even more uncompromising).
And Denis? (Answer: to the symbolism).
A Munch? (Answer: to expressionism).
A Mavrin? (Answer: the folk style, to the specifics of Russia, etc.).
A Miro? (Answer: to surrealism).
A Krymov? (Answer: to realism).
Well, okay. This is strictly an opinion on the painting school of the twentieth century, and not for me to refute it.
2.

Let naive painting in its "classical" understanding and ask the question from an entirely different field:
And why the classical ancient Greek art was in the Middle Ages supplanted iconography, Roman and later Gothic style?
That's the question single answer, but "came the Huns, and all destroyed, and the secrets of Praxiteles were lost", no.
Include and I dispute what happened to the secrets of the proportions of the Venus de Milo and the Apollo Belvedere.
Contemplate Romanesque and Gothic images. Who do they remind us?
"Classic" naive! Same broken perspective, bright colors, strange Big-little men ... And look at Rublevskoe Trinity, not as the top professional icons, but as a work of art side by side, for example, with the Madonna of Raphael or the same Apollo Belvedere, and tell me what it is not naive in its classical sense.
What, (forgive me Patriarchate), the Russian icons are not Big-fellows, not flat perspective, not incomprehensible given, not applicative bright colors?
It turns out quite an interesting analogy, and it should be analyzed.
Let us recall at least some of the provisions of all the Gospels, which were based on spiritual awareness of early Christian ideas:
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven";
"Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God";
"Verily I say unto you, if you do not see and will not be like children, do not enter the kingdom of heaven;
So, who humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven ...».

I'm afraid to go to the style of a theological treatise, but I dare say that the Early Christian idea of good was formed this way and it was then, when the foundations for the art of the Middle Ages.
Do not like it all said the concept naivizma? For some reason, spiritual impulse to kindness, regardless of the level of skill and put it in the fifth and fifteenth, and twentieth centuries in large-, flat, clumsy, applicative man ...

Otherwise, if a priori considered as non-professionals naivistov twentieth century compared with the achievements of academic painting, you will have compared to Praxiteles consider Rublev's rural painters who have lost over two thousand years, all his secrets.

Then, indeed, to all the great art of the Middle Ages would have to say: come to Rome and the Huns all slew all that remained, degenerated, and the masters of Renaissance art, with great difficulty recovered. Dominated, by the way, most recently in the USSR It is this point of view, even in schools were taught. But then, religion was the opiate of the people, the matter was of primary importance, and all very good and logical to converge.

Modernity is required to recognize: naivizm - it is painting, professional, serious, deep. So why is her so far are, as a marginalized art?
3.

Let's try to answer this question,

Once we've gradually moved from Rublev in the recent days of the USSR (which is in the culture for ten years), we note the specific relationship to naivizmu in the classic sense: as if it was not!
Who is Mavrina? (The answer has already been).
Who is Yuri Vasnetsov? (Answer: illustrator).
Who is Konashevich? (Answer: illustrator).
And who in the USSR was naivistom? Well, perhaps, senile grandmother, and the other (professional) - illustrators, traditional "fishers", lubochniki etc.

That, unfortunately, and the present attitude towards naivizmu. And if art historians tend to lack the breadth of vision to recognize naivizma least as direction, with the right to life, then to the general public naivisty - not artists. Of course - where naivistam to Salvador Dali! What is the expression, what scope, what nightmares - wow! A strange abstractionists - so it's yelling at them Khrushchev! So, if abused, it is good (aphorism coined not by me).

So, I blame all the Soviet power? No, the problem is much broader. And it was not in the traditional for Russia's polar views of a connoisseur of art and the tendency to extremes (if not "a social", the "sur").
We all - children of the twentieth century. Age, by the way, turning - the first time, mankind has acquired the physical capacity to destroy itself (nuclear weapons stockpiles have accumulated more than enough). And this is more than enough accumulated ideals of humanism! As the human subconscious to accept this historical paradox?
And Auschwitz and Babi Yar, after Goethe and Schiller? What's going on in the subconscious of the German nation to this day, in some bizarre form all pours out! I've been in Germany, so say this is not irrational.

Though why go for an example for the Germans - we have in Russia ruthless mutual extermination began in 1825 (see the work of Lenin, in which the Decembrists awakened Herzen) and continued with few interruptions to this day. Perhaps I'm overly dramatic, but my neighbor's yard wholesale market, and occasionally I could hear the sounds, strongly reminiscent of the shots. And what should happen in the subconscious of the "normal" the Russian man, who not only kill, but also continuously being robbed (from expropriation expropriators to GKO pyramid)?

Demand, as we know, breeds supply. Clearly, what part of the soul is put in such a situation on canvas by an overwhelming majority of artists of the XX century.
Unfortunately, the loss of good ideas, Christianity, humanity leads not only to the black cloth with erotic fantasies in the spirit of the Marquis de Sade. Not for me to explain where do wars, genocide and Auschwitz.

Pros example. Why in order to inculcate in youth a love for drugs, often enough one or two doses? And for a love of the Pushkin takes great effort and many years?
However, even Jesus Christ spoke about the broad and easy road to perdition, and the narrow and difficult road to recovery. And my conclusion from all this, too, may not be new:

An overwhelming majority of people of the twentieth century is easier and closer to perceived black, terrible paintings, painted dark colors. And the enormous success of "Guernica" by Picasso is absolutely natural, not to mention Salvador Dali.

And, of course, does not fit here is not only modest naivisty, but Claude Monet, and Andrei Rublev.
4.

We educated people, of course, that's enough breadth of vision and the fact, and another, and to assess on a single intuitive scale called "art".

Yet, let's again Contemplate painting eyes occupant smelly black door, the crowded subway, the streets wet lumps of dirty snow (God grant that no stain of blood). What he unconsciously closer?
I now propose to turn "a hundred vosemdeyat degrees and look at this world and at this man's eyes of an artist.

What I, as an artist, I can for this man to do?

I'm afraid of slipping on the position of the desire happiness of mankind. What follows from this, we know - we had and the Decembrists, and in 1917, and taking the ideas of communism in the People's Democracy in 1956 and 1968, and Afghanistan ...
But still, can I at least do something for at least one person coming to the exhibition? Opened a magazine or newspaper? Turn on the TV?
I can, if you will accept for himself as an artist, an iron rule:

The audience is tired of the blood, eroticism and concrete. Every spectator has remained in my heart at least one clean, uncomplicated place, and I can give him something that they had not only "classic" naivisty but Rublev, and Claude Monet, and Tatiana Mavrina - a grain of warmth and serenity.

So let us, dear artists, distinguished art historians, strive to do just that! If you do not like the term "naivizm", expand it to "the art of warmth, and soon everything will fall into place.
After all, what unites all the artists that I asked at the beginning, to what direction they are painting? If I say "naivizm", it would be too much conflict with the traditions of art criticism. Then I say: "warmth". With this you agree?

And if I return to the issue of "degeneration" of ancient Greek art in medieval times and say that Early Christian idea of goodness and love is expressed in the iconography and is Romanesque, and this is one of the earliest forms of art warmth? Would you agree with this?
I would argue also that: but what about the chimera of Notre Dame, and, by the way, and miniatures from the fires of the Inquisition?

Hence, the "art of warmth you can not attribute all the Romanesque style, as not all the classic naivizm. A very good example - children's drawings. Warmer and brighter nowhere? And you saw that draw children from orphanages and families of alcoholics? There was even a documentary film "I'm afraid to paint my mother. I watched in my childhood, you see, remember for a lifetime. But we must try to still it was smaller ...

Speaking of his childhood. For the vast majority of people is the best place for digging of positive emotions and expressing them in the art of warmth. Because, really, when we still see the world without the second, third and tenth plans? Where do I get an adult, the same child clean, if not in the art of warmth?
Look at the majority of Impressionist paintings! Need there be some kind of symbolism? And if Renoir will write dirty colors - you can imagine?
A Somov his harlequins? And Benoit with his puppet figures (which, incidentally, does not seem to be bleak, though dark).
Art warmth really very multifaceted and does not fit any traditional style, especially in the classic naivizm.
And this is his strength! It brings us something any of us are sorely lacking. Let nurtured positive energy from the warmth of art!

You'll see, the same audience, leaving the art salon, suddenly, when something does not want to do some regular abomination ...



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Eugene, THANK YOU! A few pictures from Zoo.Risunkov many pictures of them rare, that is in the files.
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1.Simple beautiful painting by Lucy Voronov. (One of the best. EA)
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