Sotheby's pre-auction exhibition in Kiev

[vyadem]

Сообщение от Yaya

Vivian, can I Th do not understand, but we talked about the global context. and the auction, which is of international significance. such as

Then, interested in your opinion on this situation:
recently discussed here the work of Egon Schiele ... up to 80 of its special nobody took ... In particular in Austria and in Vienna, many consider him a genius ...
So, suddenly, isticheniyu almost a hundred years, he became a genius for the world of auctions, at least looking at the price now ... and it should now be equal !!... and before that he was who he was? ... Sure for many it and earlier was a genius in his lifetime and in the 20's and 50's, and now ...
This I mean that "genius" after all, in my view, the notion of subjective - this time. And the fact that all the time will show - that's two.

[Yaya]

vyadem, how did the subjective, if the

for isticheniyu almost a hundred years, he became a genius for the world of auctions

?!? Well this is an objective assessment.
Someone Senokosov in his memoirs about Merab Mamardashvili says that once they walked through the park and Merab suddenly asked: "What do you think, where was the ancient Greek idea, before the addressee has received?" Smart Senokosov replied: "In the words"

[vyadem]

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vyadem, Mona Lisa does not like a whole heap of people who saw it. If it is - a work of genius, no matter what. OBJECTIVE. on the whole heap of indicators.

I do not like it ... standing next to her ... I did not understand what it was "genius" ... while most of Leonardo da Vinci, I think an outstanding and brilliant man ... just a book about it now read ...
and let me begin to talk about the lunar landscapes, mysterious smile, tilt, etc. .. my opinion - around sozdaly a myth, based on the truly great author. Some want and see in it what they wanted to see ... but we will never know like Leonardo really invest in this image is something mysterious or is it just a picture ... can only guess ...

[Вивьен]

- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
 
Genius - the maximum permitted demonstration of the creative potential of the individual. Traditionally expressed in new and unique creations, late to recognize the "masterpieces". Sometimes the genius attributed to new and unexpected methodological approach to the creative process.

When the light of true genius appears, you know it can at least because all the slow-witted united in the fight against it. - J. Swift

[vyadem]

Yaya, perhaps we have been concentrating so hard that we do not understand each other
I meant that many felt Schiele "genius" before the "genius" it began to assume auctions worldwide. It turns out many of the subjective assessment was wrong for decades to objectively evaluate (tobish auctions )?. After evaluation, it suddenly became true

[Вивьен]

It turns out so

[Yaya]

vyadem,

Some people want it and see what they wanted to see ...

We always see the product of what we want to see. is a law of nature.

After the evaluation, it suddenly became a true

after evaluation, it became a full

[vyadem]

Сообщение от Yaya

vyadem,

after evaluation, it became a full

for whom ?.. for those people who already considered him a genius?
it's like filling a bowl filled with: cool:
OK, I think we should round out the dispute ... the general truth is still not born
I understand your point of view, but remain in their

[Art-lover]

Evariste Galois, the creator of the theory of groups (killed in a duel at age 20) - one of the brightest geniuses in the history of mathematics. The luminaries of the Paris Academy of Sciences could not understand the essence of the discovery made by sixteen boys. Could easily happen that all the information about the Galois would have lost. Stops whether he would be a genius in the history of this layout?
The question, in my opinion, rhetorical.
This is a vivid example of a completely objective genius that is independent from any particular judgments, including those from the opinion of himself, the author's own discoveries.

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But such objectivity - objectivity is not of nature but of culture, culture is created and the actors, and "live" through entities. If you lose sight of that natures and cultural objectivity - the phenomena of different orders, then confusion is inevitable.
The concept of the development of skills necessary for successful creative activity in different spheres of culture, formed through the historical comparison of the results of efforts of many artists in these areas (sorry, that is manifested by high-rise). The concept of genius "fasten your seat" to this extent, it is defined as sschestvennoe its excess. Since the notorious objective measure, the extent objective and genius.
But! The process of formation of this measure - a never-ending creative process of subjective re-opening of cultural history. As soon as we begin to be satisfied with the results of fixation of the discussed measures, objectified in the body of culture - in the monuments, textbooks, media, the conventional wisdom - we are in a dead prisoner dies. And then the definition of "genius" becomes an objective basis and is just a label, ierarhiziruyuschim values masskulta. We ourselves - subjective - must be involved in the spiritual efforts, which produce works of genius to be able to rise to the understanding of genius and thus confirm the validity, objectivity of its status.
Returning to our life example: if you go away people who try to self-wrestle with a problem of solvability by radicals of equations of higher degrees or comparable complexity and beauty problems, then judgments about the genius of Galois will rely only on recorded in the history of evidence to confirm or deny that would be none. The genius of Galois remain unaffected, but the perception in the language of the concept of genius will undergo some inflation.

This is a simple example of science - in all of a. much more difficult - but it demonstrates well the paradoxical character of the concept of genius - and it is objectively and subjectively.

Сообщение от Vivien

And here is an excerpt from Gansa article (which he gave the link): the feeling of a work of genius emerges when perceiving a work of art man, thanks to his intuition, experiences not available to him in everyday life synthesis of feelings, thoughts, and deep experiences that go beyond the world of his "I".

Surprisingly, the shaky foundations on which people take to build a theory. Elementary counterexamples: Everyman, was totally under the influence of ecstasy nightmarish marina a la Aivazovsky or a drug addict, is experiencing is not available to him in everyday life from the contemplation of the synthesis of something you like.

PS
Works Glushchenko, which yesterday showed Altim in this thread, very good. In my opinion, the best that he showed from his collection. If they "run away" from the collection, that is something to regret ...
But Yaya right, star of world level Glushchenko not be - this splendid master of color lacks originality, "highlight"
However Chichkanov - even in its actual genre - stars do not shine: the scale of personality is not suitable and thin. Skill mediocre. Obezyanosy him funny - just not enough ...

[Самвел]

I think that genius is a kind of angels, who came to teach us, good and bad deeds. They can not nazvat happy or unhappy, they both, asexual angels. In geniuses will feel that something otherworldly, unearthly. Well, for example, as can fly into space, because this is not a human idea, I am referring to Homo sapiens (voter). But what if God exists.