Why loses interest in Russian art

[sportsmen]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Do you have statistics?

Well, I know a Russian non-poor sculptor, he bought at Drouot few pictures of the western 17-18 th century to just hang in the hallway in the apartment.
But this is not kollektsionerstvo and just design the course.

In the West investing more to the fact that it is equally valued almost everywhere in the world. Many are investing in Russia for the sake of so-called "Ponte". To his guests to come and be stunned, "but this picture 16/17/18 Ages". That picture is the age of almost the most dominant role. Malosveduschih guest does not surprise picture of 1970 recognized in Russia Tkachev brothers, or similar, as it is for them is quite fashionable, and of interest only to collectors or dealers who know. But have at home of old Europeans - it's already have at home a piece of the ancient European history, and even in his own possession. Therefore, a simple Russian man in the street gladly give enough money for mediocre pictures 17-18 century than buy even recognized by the Russian master different types of rural landscapes of Central Russia.

That's why I personally (this is my opinion is bad) I do not leave a positive chance of Russian art, well, almost no chance. As well as Russian icons, which almost no one needs and no special interest. And not only I, as I wrote earlier that foreign art dealers and art investors are predicting the most unenviable fate of Russian art. However, this did not have to be a visionary as it was not necessary to foresee what will happen to Russian AvtoVAZ, the Russian market when there will be available to foreign cars.

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Сообщение от Santa

sportsmen, I would not jump to such conclusions. not all , I assure you.
Want to be here (at home, at home ) are not going to leave , but there is a chance . Son recently received a diploma , a chance to go there for the entire flow of the course - no one is going to leave . And it's our future, present and good.

SW. Santa

sometimes with the possibility of desire is not the same . I do not deny that there are those who want to live in Russia. But the vast majority , especially girls, so just see at night in a dream his foreign pryntsa

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Сообщение от sur

I think the more correct to speak about the fall of interest in second-rate third-rate artists of things for a lot of money on which to place market correction .

That's what I write . So it is clear that the Russian tank tops everywhere and always will be appreciated . But the number of isotopes is less than 1 %, and it does not affect the main Russian art market. The same analogy with the oligarchs and the ordinary citizens of Russia. If those billions of dollars, that does not mean that ordinary people are rich .

[Fed]

Сообщение от Santa; 1885591"

son recently received a diploma , a chance to go there for the entire flow of the course - no one is going to leave . And this is our future

How can you support a child in this illusion ?
For several years he will be on his feet in a normal country , will steadily develop in the modern world , having the opportunity to live at least 56 years longer .

His happiness is not our future, our future , much less. And instead of a peace, freedom, ... suggest that ...

Disputes about art - spores, but involve children under psevdopatrioticheskie slogans , big mistake.

[манна]

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1885521"

, tell me and I have reason to trust the article on your site?

http://artinvestment.ru/invest/inter...popoffart.html

Or is this your attempt to make a good face on a bad game ?

Good interview . And you do not trust , and check ... on their own experience.
And with the interest to the Russian .. besides Levitan. In this forum there is always more than 100 people , a lot. And we are here primarily on the Russian .
Read like the theme and essence of your fervor escaped . You asked a question , then do it said that all the fault of the economy , politics (I am the way you largely agree, I apparently also a man who has a glass " half empty "). Even the decision voiced by " The solution is simple to banality: making life in Russia attractive for all its citizens ." I think with this all agree. And everyone has to start with yourself , and you as well. And then what you want to hear ? You want to convince you to buy when you are in every way ( arguments ) to resist? Well, do not buy or you already .. > >. ? An interesting , fairly objective article have driven .
In short ... you have a monologue.

[sportsmen]

Сообщение от manna

And everyone has to start with yourself , and you as well.

The expression "YOU Must Start With Yourself" appeared in America , in the midst of the American Depression, told the American president.

Really do not recommend to experiment in Russia, where the initiative is punishable , particularly seeking to improve life in mental hospitals or lay imprisoned , squeezed idealists in foreign countries , and especially zealous simply murdered.

[sur]

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1885621"

That's what I write. So it is clear that the Russian tank tops everywhere and always will be appreciated. But the number of isotopes is less than 1%, and it does not affect the main Russian art market. The same analogy with the oligarchs and the ordinary citizens of Russia. If those billions of dollars, that does not mean that ordinary people are rich.

In principle, we are talking about nothing. Has meaning to talk about specific things, specific authors. Obviously, many artists (mostly 3.10 some >) have been revalued in the past "golden" times, which I fortunately did not find him as an active member of the art market, unnecessarily . of all theories is the best time of entry for new players - it is just a crisis.
 Now the market is under correction, I think a lot it has to change. Do not envy those investors who have entered the market at the moment of its greatest growth as the participants would not envy any other market in the same situation.

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1885621"

That's why I personally (this is my opinion is bad) I do not leave a positive chance of Russian art, well, almost no chance.

 Again, do not generalize. Has meaning to talk about specific authors. I think once again it was some Russian artists have tomorrow, because they have a good education and healthy roots. I think that now in the market blockage of mediocre things, mediocre artists who are actually not needed and only litter the market, preventing a simple (not professional) customers to make a worthy choice.

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Сообщение от Santa; 1885711"

Fed, forgive you of any illusions?

Santa, we are once again sunk into a conversation about politics. Do not bother. >
 Although I am sure that many "normal" countries, such as once did not have a future. Rather, do some of the country will remain, but almost completely change (already changed) their ethnic composition, and thus the culture and religion (ask your friends from Germany >). We must "let the dead bury their dead," and finally learns to read his own way at no looking back. I've gone to bed. >

[манна]

Сообщение от sportsmen

The expression "YOU Must Start With Yourself" appeared in America , in the midst of the American Depression, told the American president.

Really do not recommend to experiment in Russia, where the initiative is punishable , particularly seeking to improve life in mental hospitals or lay imprisoned , squeezed idealists in foreign countries , and especially zealous simply killed .

Come on ... I did not you act to attempt self-immolation on the Red Square appeal . But such is not to bribe a traffic cop , and spend an hour of his life and pay the fine at the bank. Or just spit on it . that everything they steal , take and complete a declaration . And to pay taxes. Artists Pictures sell ? dealers sell ? Sell ​​it. Interestingly, the income tax paid at least one person ? Although your IP address: " Address: spiritless rotten West" suggests that you are law-abiding citizen . Or you " squeezed out "?

[artcol]

Сообщение от manna, 1885671

, or you already .. > >.?

It seems that the is ... >

sportsmen, in fact there are many constructions of your critical aberrations, the k-th to 180 degrees. change the picture. That is, Factors such as you bring the faithful, but the image resulting in a wrong >

Here, I laughed for a long time:

Сообщение от sportsmen

... have at home of old Europeans - it's already have at home a piece of the ancient European history, and even in his own possession.

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Сообщение от sportsmen

recognized the Russian master different types of rural landscapes of Central Russia.

What is the the acknowledged masters of rural landscapes are you? Dirtied all its rural landscape, do not have the taste and affect the taste of other > > >

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Сообщение от sur

Obviously, many artists (mostly 3.10 some >) have been revalued in the past "golden" times ...

Many - is an understatement >

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Сообщение от sportsmen

Or, for example - WHA will release such a beautiful car that Mercedes will be all sorts of smoking nervously on the sidelines.

In Russia, VAZ only mass, but is exclusive. This is closer to the situation of art.

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Сообщение от sportsmen

In the West investing more to the fact that it is equally valued almost everywhere in the world.

Russian art is valued in the world. And the modern including

Threat In short, like an honest man you have to admit, for some reason you can chase a wave of Russian art at >

[mihailovoh]

sur,

I think once again it was some Russian artists have tomorrow, because they have a good education and healthy roots. I think that now in the market blockage of mediocre things, mediocre artists who are actually not needed and only litter the market, preventing a simple (not professional) customers to make a worthy choice. "

With this in full agreement and not just talked about it.
Try to find and buy business cards, high-end stuff is not a decent artist eskizy.etyudy or through-things-te.chto most on the market (not talking about the first names). Sovremennogo.60 ka.ili pre-war period.
 A rush for granitsu.kto not find its mesta.s big ambitions and does not meet these ambitions vozmozhnostyami.v PM. and that proverbial one percentage Aligarh.
 And about the election. "For honest elections," the loudest advocate and Nemtsovy.Ryzhkovy td.zabyvaya.kak himself and Boris Yeltsin drew by 90 percent in 1996g.obosnovyvaya political prisoners and neobhodimostyu.Uzhe delayut.Kakoe obschestvo.takie development and elections. And deputaty.ne better or worse than all of us. A lesson in the power-horoshiy.v anyway.

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

And about the election. "For honest elections," the loudest advocate and Nemtsovy.Ryzhkovy td.zabyvaya.kak myself and Boris Yeltsin drew by 90 percent in 1996

You do not need in this thread about politics, such messages will be completely transferred to the appropriate section.

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Сообщение от sportsmen; 1885701"

It is not recommended to experiment in Russia, where the initiative is punishable

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1885621"

Many people in Russia are investing for the sake of so-called "Ponte

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1885621"

That's why I personally (this is my opinion is bad) I do not leave a positive chance of Russian art

Finally got his hands (the auction , the meetings) to see where we are taught to live - Germany.
About how .
In this regard, " colleague " sportsmen to read our morality from a comfortable distance - is ridiculous.

[Fed]

Сообщение от artcol; 1886011"

In Russia, VAZ only mass, but is exclusive. This is closer to the situation of art.

Well you support the theme.
Here is a review of the Russian car for 117 000 euros from the Japanese units:
"To win the buyer a little advertising. It is necessary to sell goods, and that the person who bought it told himself in his quarters, that he thought about it, I really wanted to buy this car. Get rid of two sporting Italian brands, so that Peter was first Maroussia is I have! But! first in June 2011 signed a contract to build for me Marousi B1, made an advance payment. Must have been collected for six months. In November, on the phone told me that the assembly of Marousi delayed for four months, and I will send a letter. I, as a whole is acceptable, in the winter to drive such a car is ridiculous. But in a letter reported that the production car Marussia B1 postponed indefinitely, and I prdlagayut for the same money to buy Marusya B2, I was in the showroom on Tverskaya Street, saw the B1. B2 only in the photo. And again, is not the case... I promise Marusya B2 collect interpretation by December 2012. Wait, I do not want to terminate the contract. Not only to come up with a good car it still needs to sell, I am very reap, is it like to support domestic the manufacturer ... "