History of Counterfeiting Grigorieva

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Artem; 2202471"

" I'm sure in his own innocence ," - she said , confirming that the picture received from Michael Aranson , criminal history which , according to the expert , it does not know .

Here somewhere reported that she participated in compiling the catalog with this picture . And , thereafter brokered sale with the second , is the same as an authentic ? Then what issues?

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Сообщение от Artem; 2202471"

original painting " The restaurant " is stored in the Russian Museum , where she enrolled in the 80s in the collection of Professor Boris Okuneva description which involved Ms. Basner .

Ie she knew where the original , participated in the sale of copies as the original.

[wasya]

Tell me, if a Russian auction I buy a piece of art, and it will be a fake, then who can vysudit money paid for a fake?
With the auction can get anything, or there is a statute of limitations?

[Михалыч]

Сообщение от K-Maler

Ie
she knew where the original, participated in the sale of copies as the original.

Actually for making this copy still needed or Kutch.
photo from the original or the original itself.
So SOMEBODY yet "helped" to make a copy.
It remains to determine - WHO?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от wasya

and if the Russian auction I buy a piece of art, and it will be a fake, then who can vysudit money paid for a fake?

Read the rules of this auction.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Mikhalych ; 2973061"

Actually, for the manufacture of the copies were still needed or Kutch . photo from the original or the original itself . So SOMEBODY yet " helped " to make a copy . It remains to determine - WHO?

In the present situation is enough to make high-quality digital images , and this can be done at any stage of the transfer and adoption of the paintings in the museum. As well as a copy to a stage . But then it would mean that the intent was " much in advance ."

[Eriksson]

Сообщение от K-Maler

then it would mean that the intent was "much in advance."

Why work Grigorieva?
And only if Grigoriev been rigged?
Who can guarantee that the part of the works from the collections of belt is not "duplicated" in this way?

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1735313"

alexvadim, thanks to him , sent the film in St. Petersburg theme antiquarian afernyh Affairs :
Quote:
dangerous Leningrad
Legend Leningrad black antique market Potashinsky Michael became immediately. Before he quite successfully mastered the profession of a bookbinder . In the colony . It was in the late '50s . Potashinsky accomplice took his first test in the case of double-entry bookkeeping .
I have not seen . Maybe someone else will be interested.
In the film, the hero of this topic - Andrey Vasilyev can be seen

Andrey Vasilyev collector and author of the film Dangerous Leningrad Eugene Vyshenkov .

[Маруся]

Сообщение от K-Maler; 2972251"

somewhere here it was reported that she was involved in compiling the catalog with this picture . And , thereafter brokered sale with the second , is the same as an authentic ? Then what issues ?

A lot of questions :
Even if we assume that the examination Ms. Basner fed the original work , and then with her ​​expert opinion and its mediation ? copy sold ( and such cases obtaining expert opinions known) , it is not clear why the expert is not alarmed by the possibility of copyright exact repeat of Grigorieva ?
Well, she could not not know that the work is stored in the collections of the Russian Museum , and not " in the famous St Petersburg meeting " and especially not in the garage in the Leningrad region Then why did not immediately clarify the situation with the work of the museum ?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Eriksson; 2973491"

Who can guarantee that the part of the works from the collections of belt is not " duplicated " in this way ?

Actually, such scams eventually revealed as revealed and this : things of funds still exhibited , reproduced in publications , etc.

Here comes someone , for example, the exhibition for the 150th anniversary of the artist N, and there hangs " your " picture - one to one , and co-curator of the exhibition and author of the Jubilee directory to it - art , signed by the expert conclusions on your thing. Immediately raises a number of disturbing questions ... <! - ~ 3 ~ -> <! - ~ 2 ~ -> <! - ~ 4 ~ -> <! - ~ 11 ~ -> <! - ~ 10 ->

[Борисович]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Actually, such scams are revealed over time , as revealed and this : things of funds still exhibited , reproduced in publications , etc.

Very slowly in Russia is digitization of museum exhibits . And not only in the province , and in the first row of museums : Hermitage Museum.
Long been interested in the question . Why has not yet reached general directories painting of the second half of the nineteenth century , stored in a Russian museum? But this is one of the most interesting and fruitful periods of Russian painting. In conversation with an employee of the museum have not found the answer . And to the question about the directory drawings of this period , held in the museum , said that not even in the plans. But this is the first thing should be dealt with keepers and art . Yes, systematically overlook exhibition catalogs or individual artists . However, we need a comprehensive , full catalog ( the main exhibition and all funds ( so-called. Reservists ) ) . Then it was necessary to issue periodic additions of overcrowding ( loss ) funds. Why this is not done - the question ? Probably part of the answer is hidden in the case of "Elena Basner ." It turns out that Komuto something very beneficial not yield general catalog when Savrasova recent buyers and Vereshchagins will find " doubles " of his paintings in the vaults of the belt , like a picture Grigorieva " restaurant ." And so bad if the copies are in new customers. And if the " bullshit " will be in store number one Russian Museum ?