June 22 - Day of Remembrance and Grief

[Posav]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

fantasy propaganda and distort interpretation, were presented with the ideologists of the opposite.
Discuss extensively and in detail I will not, it makes no sense.

How can we ...
The advantages of the Germans to dig vegetable gardens can be understood only by creatures higher organization.

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Posav

Where can we ...
The advantages of the Germans to dig vegetable gardens can be understood only by creatures higher organization.

Yes, this is so, to whom is given.

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от artcol

Why did the previous time is not chosen?

So chose, so that the Orange Revolution happened.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Vivien

So, chose, so that the Orange Revolution happened.

It turns out that was put on the choice of Ukraine in previous times?
But Yanukovych has proved himself sane politician, "stop the miners on the way to Kiev?"

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от artcol

It turns out that was put on the choice of Ukraine in previous times?

And who will disassemble it now?
Then talked about the fraud.
Many of those who believe Yushchenko, were at the Independence ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

On the question of casualties:

That is, the siege of Leningrad. 125 grams of a blockade with fire and blood in half. Here, Mark Solonin in his latest book in a small article about the very siege of Leningrad only touched on this topic. And once all the paint slid off her, and found the mass of absolutely simple and obvious questions. First question. Well, how? That is, the Americans established a supply West Berlin by air during the blockade. Leningrad did not have to supply the air - there was water. Water transport is not at times, and 100, and even 1,000 times more spacious aircraft, cargo handling. It was enough time in the day to let a barge on the water. And there were small losses - losses were 4%sinking of Hitler's fire, it's worthless for losing the war. And the city would be, well, at least, not 125 grams of a blockade. "But - says Solonin - there is evidence that food exported from Leningrad to the blockade." Well, within probably all the same Stalin orders, it's probably going to take the city and wanted there not an ounce of bread was not. "Ah, here - says Solonin - such a fleet was on the lake." And where are the fleet gone? And he was evacuated to not got to the enemy. As this fleet was evacuated, the barge was evacuated, and people left? Yes, and then leads Solonin facts, and it turns out that even if the share received on these barges, quantity of food, then it will not blockade 125 grams and 600. And see, 125 and 600 - this is, to say the difference between life and death in this case. What was that? What happened to 450? Steal? Under Stalin, steal? In so many? Well, we certainly know that Zhdanov, who headed the Leningrad, he was a horrible bastard that he drove fresh peaches on the aircraft. Here's something he just drove, he is something just carried on planes. But how can it be that, again, as is true Solonin writes his own greatness, we won at the cost of Merimee our losses? A siege of Leningrad - as guilty of Hitler, Stalin, and how much to blame?

Or say, "Zhukov - a brilliant commander." But a question: What, in fact, Zhukov was a brilliant military leader? A man who spent the war in flames along with Stalin, the Russian people, as it wrote Victor Astafyev. What did Zhukov? At Yelnya in August 1941 threw the infantry assault on dug into the ground tanks and minefields. Rzhev this poacher of the Russian people, again, in the words of Astafieva, within 15 months of throwing regiment after regiment, division after division to a completely senseless assaults of fortified German positions. Loss forces exceeded 2 million, the city was destroyed completely: from 40 000 people left 248 people. Rzhev - the bloodiest battle in human history. What we know about it? Nothing. But we are called Zhukov "military genius". Strange genius. This is not a brilliant general, a brilliant butcher.

completely here.

[Moriakoff]

Cyril Syzran, Eco ... you suffered one or criminal, the other executioner ...

And that is good in this world? Or "glass is always half empty" ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Moriakoff

And that is good in this world?

Yes.
Your painting.

[Moriakoff]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Yes.
Your painting.

Uh ... Well, finally!
And the mountain gave birth to a Mouse!
>

[zarajara]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

On the question of casualties :

Yet wrong to judge from today's perspective . We've only recently began to consider a separate human life value ( without the influence of the West, as it was not unpleasant to admit ). In those days , and earlier , the loss has never been the yardstick of credit was only success .
 Not strong in military history: Zhukov genius or no genius , could he really have to account brilliant plans in a strategic sense , but just about the loss he was not thinking , and anybody with them then was not considered . I believe that this point should not be taken into account in assessing the military leaders of that time. How not to evaluate in terms of Contemporary academic and vice versa.