Problems and prospects of the Russian art market

[Ольга Озолина]

Nat , I'm not about those artists have in mind who is doing well . These words, though few. Someone here sells well ( portrait painters , mostly) , some in the West. But these are the singles, which ZAGRAEVSKY writes (see topikstarternuyu article), and very few of them . I estimate the personal, about 20 here , 20 there, and all . I could list them , do not want to sidetrack the discussion. I do not take those who make the art market indirectly ( the leaders of the creative unions , gallery owners and part-time , etc.). They are also a few dozen, but this is not a pure art market. Well, of the Arbat and the Crimean embankment counterparts in other cities , of which I did not say.

In this modern artists , serious and professional, in Russia only about thousands of EXP 15. Too big imbalance , do not you ?

A calm artists: "write , walk through the galleries , spins, and you will be happy ," can be any number . In ZAGRAEVSKY have on this subject even " advice to young creators ":
http://zagraevsky.com/beginners.htm
There, starting with No. 12, just about it .

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1680083"

And all that invented Hurst, long before he coined the Warhol, but all these inventions are covered once and for all "squares" of Malevich.
This is my personal opinion. But I think that many critics agree with me.

100 YES. you're right! BUT want to eat it "here and now"!
In addition, Repin and Hearst are completely different categories: dead, alive, high-art low art, Russian-Western; realism-sovrisk ...
And their sravnitvat something like that is incorrect ..

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Olga Ozolina, if to think globally (in the sense of "planetary" and not that means your protezhe), then these are all tiny problemki ..
 

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1680543"

At the same time modern art, serious and professional, in Russia only about thousands of EXP 15. Too big imbalance, do not you

it's all over the world, so do not worry.
Tips can be given any number, but I got the impression that Com. ZAGRAEVSKY simply "not know" .. Neither practically nor theoretically ..
Try to understand the current practice.
Read about contemporary art and the market situation.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

100 times yes. you're right! BUT want to eat it "here and now"!
In addition, Repin and Hearst are completely different categories: dead, alive, high-art low art, Russian-Western; realism-sovrisk ...
And their sravnitvat something like that is incorrect ..

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Olga Ozolina, if to think globally (in the sense of "planetary" and not that means your protezhe), then these are all tiny problemki ..
 

it's all over the world, so do not worry.
Tips can be given any number, but I got the impression that Com. ZAGRAEVSKY simply "not know" .. Neither practically nor theoretically ..
Try to understand the current practice.
Read about contemporary art and the market situation.

You, Nat, of course, aware of all the reading, I'm glad for you and admire your erudition. And we (I and ZAGRAEVSKY) works directly with artists and trying to protect their rights. With those same thousands. And we know their problems are not from books but from life everyday communication.
Sorry, you have to stop the dialogue I. Write what you want, here mockers have enough.

I do odd that ZAGRAEVSKY activities to protect the rights of artists and bring attention to the problems of the art market welcomes a rejection of many. Perhaps these many benefits to fish in troubled waters your fish.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

ZAGRAEVSKY activities to protect the rights of artists

You can more about it?

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1680943"

I do odd that ZAGRAEVSKY activities to protect the rights of artists and bring attention to the problems of the art market welcomes a rejection of many. Perhaps these many benefits to fish in troubled waters your fish.
     

Dear Olga Ozolina, firstly, I am just "беднаянесчастнаянеизвестнаянепокупабельная" artist, which has the same "live" issue.
Second. Causes rejection of no activity, and incompetence, lack of information (sorry) and non-constructive.
Can I briefly konretno and constructively communicate what is actually "protecting" artists?
What suggestions?
The question is: what actually you (ZAGRAEVSKY) call "art market"?
Can not back then (as with "global")?

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1680943"

I guess this is beneficial in many muddy water to catch their fish.
     

 Well, it's generally unprofessional ..

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1680943"

Sorry, you have to stop the dialogue I. Write what you want, here mockers have enough.

And where is "Thank You"?
I regret that I frankly spend their time and energy on explaining the basic things. (At least read Gross, Baudrillard, Thompson, Nicholson, etc.) And then the emotions and blah blah blah .. (Sorry)
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[artcol]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

ZAGRAEVSKY activities to protect the rights of artists and bring attention to the problems of the art market welcomes a rejection of many. Perhaps these many benefits to fish in troubled waters your fish .

The answer is simple : there is no action to protect human rights and other labudeni is just business. And as soon as the rth ZAGRAEVSKY move from the language of art Commissioner for normal human language of business - people immediately and stretch.

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Alec Sander, thanks for a book about Old Hirst shark, and whether you have a reference to it online?
And I have yet to here any comment found.
http://www.liberty.ru/groups/Intelle...chuchelo-akuly
And agreed: the art - not a brand, and market mechanisms in the car or refrigerator market do not apply here.
Let's look at the price of Hirst's 10-20 years old. I think it would be cheaper when the boom passed. A Repin will rise in price only because it's true creativity and Hurst - a spectacular story, almost a theater. Hearst also can be replicated, and each stroke is unique Repin. And all that invented Hurst, long before he coined the Warhol, but all these inventions are covered once and for all "squares" of Malevich.
This is my personal opinion. But I think most critics would agree with me.

Look at the "ozone" or "labyrinth" of the online stores. But I see you live in Moscow, so I think you can easily find it either in "The House on Arbat book" or a "Biblioglobus", or in a store "Moscow". Everyone has websites, each has the search.

From this book it becomes clear that the arts now apply the model of other markets, like it or not. Alas. But Hearst will be popular or not, read the book. In principle, it is clear what will happen. Everything is written clearly and lucidly. The whole art market is like a scalpel revealed. The author - a rare brain.

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

In the case of modern Western art.
The Russian market is very specific.
Not so easy.

Surprisingly, I have to this book, too, believed that the Russian market is very specific. But after reading realized what its specificity: it simply does not exist. There are only a few people selling paintings, and some people buy them. But in the West, the market really is. And when he emerged among us, will operate the scheme described in this book. And almost all of the issues raised in this scheme, there is lit.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Alex Sander

Surprisingly , I have to this book , too, believed that the Russian market is very specific. But after reading realized what its specificity : it simply does not exist. There are only a few people selling paintings, and some people buy them. But in the West, the market really is. And when he emerged among us, will operate the scheme described in this book. And almost all of the issues raised in this scheme , there is lit .

Yes, everything is exactly the case and situation . But personally, I very much doubt that the current market we have . Absolutely no prerequisites.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1681173"

it simply does not exist .

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1681173"

There are only a few people selling paintings, and some people buy them

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1681173"

And when he has developed in us, we will operate the scheme described in this book .

Alex Sander, possibly ( but maybe not ) because:
In view of the prevailing historical circumstances in Russia ( former Soviet Union ) due to the Soviet educational system overall pictorial culture ( as buyers. And sellers ) are completely different quality (realism) and orientation.
One piece of abstract formalism , conceptualism , simply absent (absent) as in education and in mentality.
Therefore, 100%of the model to Russia while Thompson * primenryat early ...

* _ ( for how long? while Russia will be ( more or less) legal, civilized country with a developed economy and social protection ?

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от artcol

Yes, that's exactly the case and situation. But personally, I very much doubt that the current market we have. Absolutely no prerequisites.

Either the state will collapse, or the market turn out. The only question period. Art - it's the same business. Business, working in developed countries, will work in our country, when it develops. The scale may be others, but this will be the market rather than what is now.

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

while (how long? While Russia will be (more or less) legal, civilized country with a developed economy and social protection?

Totally agree with you. These are the main conditions. And you are right raised the issue of culture of buyers and sellers. First of all, even the customers. That culture simply does not. People just do not ... fantasy, or what? They stopped to look at the pictures. No longer take pictures. So they buy yachts, villas, but the art is perceived. As if people have something to cut. Judge even by their friends. Many of them simply do not see the pictures. There is not even a question, "like - not like it." Picture for them blank. By the way, until recently, I have not seen pictures, for me, art has also been an empty place. But it does not matter. I think it will. Return. Before the crisis, has already returned. It became almost fashionable to buy a picture. And then it barked, and the powers that be turned to the pressing problems - yachts, villas. But this is temporary. When you have five villas, you get bored with it, and you start to look around: what would be more interesting to buy? Oh! Pictures! Indeed, Hirst, Koons, Warhol bought not ordinary consumers. Ordinary shoppers are buying these artists lithographs, that cheaper, following those who buy the canvases. Chain reaction. So the market develops (if it's quite primitive). But we have with you, those who are a little versed in the art of the here and now, there is a slight advantage. We can cheap enough to buy a pair or two masterpieces. In the West, it is possible. >