The value of the underground works of artists today is much higher than their price.

[SAH]

On the eve of an auction of works of art of national underground of Kiev Leonid Komsky dealer (auction house, "Dukat") told the "FACTS "..." GET, hangs in the HOUSE OF PICTURE AND PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN REPRESENT WHAT SHOULD SHE several thousand dollars. often WORKS OF ART turns on Recycle Bin "
On the eve of Ukraine's first auction of works of art of national underground of Kiev Leonid Komsky dealer told to "FACTS" and that the collection of paintings in recent times often change at ... Houses and Apartments

Olga SMETANSKAYA "FACTS"

Until now, an underground art 1960-1980-ies in Kiev auctions exhibited occasionally. More were needed "understandable" works of art - landscapes, portraits, still lifes ... During the crisis came reassessment of the phenomena, people began to deeply ponder over many things.

Do collectors developed an interest in the works of artists, pro-opposition to the Soviet state and its culture of socialist realism.

Today these works are worth thousands of dollars, but to find them is becoming increasingly difficult.
"My grandfather and grandmother gave him vodka, the artist has promised to write their family portrait. ... Drew two graves with crosses"

- Artists of the forbidden arts were complex personalities, such as, respectively, and their work - says the owner of Kiev Gallery Ducat Leonid Komsky. - The underground artists in the Soviet times - is Sergei Paradjanov, Ivan Marchuk, Nicholas Tregub, Vudon Baklitsky, Yuri Yegorov, and many of our countrymen. In the 1960-1980-ies do not accept the Union of Artists, was not allowed to participate in exhibitions and artists in general are not considered.

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Their work was born out of protest against social rules. Representatives of non-art does not want to draw what "should", and worked as wanted. Incidentally, in the current, 2010, marks 50 years of Ukrainian underground. In 1960 in Kiev, organized the first club of creative young people who thought 'not Soviet, "there was also the first" suction "exhibition in Odessa. Artists who are not allowed to participate in the official exhibition, exhibited his work at the margins of the opera house. Held and the first "apartment" exhibition in Kyiv. They visited the artist's friends and acquaintances of acquaintances ... One of the centers of free thought, for example, had an apartment of Sergei Paradjanov. All the dissenters were persecuted as shook the foundations of the state system.

- What are typical subjects for artists of the underground?

- They are unusually interpreted reality. Here is an example. Nicholas Tregub friends with archaeologists and often went with them to the excavation. He was a man drinking, and somehow in the same village, his grandparents gave him a bottle of brew in exchange for a promise to write their family portrait. And he wrote ... two graves with crosses. So he saw this family couple.
"I myself once found in a landfill is very expensive antique furniture"

- Where, except the galleries, you can find works by artists of the underground?

- They are the collectors, the descendants of the artists, those who received them as gifts - the doctors, artists. Sometimes, hanging in the house of a picture and people can not even imagine how much it might cost. There were instances when the owner of the reported price and it made him feel ill. Ingested validol, Corvalol, lamenting: "I did this picture just did not throw!"

- And it happened that threw out?

- How much you want them! Get tired of painting - and it turns up in landfills. Some people throw away, others to pick up bins. I myself once found in a landfill is very expensive antique furniture. Usually, the search takes small dealers, then bring to us. They scour the trash carefully. And sometimes things are worth several thousand dollars.

- Pictures of what artists are sold in Ukraine, the most expensive?

- You know, the price and value of work - are completely different things. The value of the underground works of artists today is much higher than their price. We have sales continued to lead the master of social realism - Nicholas Glushchenko and Sergey Shishkov. Their works are sold at Kiev auctions for hundreds of thousands of dollars. In Russia, an official of the classics of art underground artists on prices has already overtaken.

- Sometimes the value of the paintings is low, and get her mad money?

- Yes, more than once observed before the crisis, both imported from the European salon painting a rather poor quality in some gallery offers ten times more expensive than it was purchased overseas.

- And now?

- Today, such inadequacies are much smaller. Market has become healthier, price - adequate. Before they grew wildly, as it was willing to buy a huge amount. The people, intoxicated by success, easily spending money. Today, more people who want to sell. Many loans are stuck ... On the art market began to appear unique things. Collectors also who have the intention to complete your collection, have become more demanding.

- Kyiv gallery owners told me that sales have fallen, but profits from the auctions is not lower than before the crisis. How do you explain this?

- You know, the auction - is in some sense, theatrical action, where time plays a big role attitudes. I have often noticed that at the auctions to buy what the gallery would not bought at half price would be. And then ask myself why I did it?

- You are a well-known in Ukraine, an expert in antiquities. What are your predictions: prices will rise or fall?

- I think it will not fall. But the wildly growing will not. Dynamics of prices of art objects is comparable to the dynamics of property prices.
"One collector bought the picture, paying an expensive car"

- And it happened to a picture of me at the house and an apartment?

- I know a case where the picture was changed to house and art collection at the two-room apartment in Kiev.

- Probably the collection cost more this accommodation ..

- Maybe, but quickly sell the collection very difficult. It may take years. I also know a case where a collector paid for a painting of expensive cars.

- You said that underground artists were challenging fate. Many were drinking, someone commit suicide. Certainly the work of these people have a negative energy ...

- I do not know when picture destructive impact on the lives of its owner. But have long noticed: if a person was interested in art, it gets better. Therefore, visit our gallery can be completely free to everyone.
 
August 12, 2010> Man and society http://www.facts.kiev.ua/archive/201...605/index.html

[Yurko]

This gentlemen, the next advertising campaign .. they say the stagnation in the sale .. that's a friend's honored artist .. call .. IC? Your picture 40000 hryvnia, you know it wants to buy ... IIch ... we can give him? "Yes, definitely .. and what he calculates .. YES? give him a 20 ... "
The crisis in the Ukrainian art business

[SAH]

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This gentlemen next advertising campaign .. they say the stagnation in the sale .. that's a friend's honored artist .. call .. IC? Your picture 40000 hryvnia, you know it wants to buy ... IIch. .. can we give him? "Yes, of course .. and what he calculates .. yes?" Give him a 20 ... "
The crisis in the Ukrainian art business

Twice re-read your post, but really did not understand. You write about the above?

[Yurko]

From the article above .. prochitanoy draw the appropriate conclusions .. just ...

[SAH]

You mean this:

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- You are a well-known in Ukraine, an expert in antiquities. What are your predictions: prices will rise or fall?

- I think it will not fall. But the wildly growing will not. Dynamics of prices of art objects is comparable to the dynamics of property prices.

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.. supposedly stagnant sales.

?? Have sales and prices are soaring? Tell enlighten.

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The crisis in the Ukrainian art business

Why is it just a "crisis" and all at once, "Ukrainian art business."
Dukat, as I see it, holds the second auction "Óêðà ¿íñüêà alternative to XX".
I first remember well.
Would be a crisis on the second entry does not have ventured to the organizers.
Me and the first "sunset" very much: great selection of lots, sustained the idea, all competently done.
A second "sunset" confirmed my thoughts that the organizers:
a) people with taste;
b) validly related to potential bidders;
c) negonyaschiesya for easy penny to withstand the level bracket.
Something like this ...

[Fed]

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Artists of the forbidden arts were complex personalities, such as, respectively, and their work - says the owner of Kiev Gallery Ducat Leonid Komsky. - The underground artists in the Soviet times - is Sergei Paradjanov, Ivan Marchuk, Nicholas Tregub, Vudon Baklitsky, Yuri Yegorov. In the 1960-1980-ies do not accept the Union of Artists, was not allowed to participate in exhibitions

 Underground word beautiful, but Marchuk something to do with "underground" artists do not really tally. A Egorov, so in general - - "Over the shoulders of Yuri Nikolayevich best time in the country of art schools - the Academy of Arts and Muhinka, in Leningrad, was immediately admitted to the Union of Artists."
   In my opinion, there is a desire AFC underground to sell the painting is three times more expensive than you can buy them. Which is natural.
  But the theoretical justification of some murky, and most of the artists at auction somehow does not fit in with that word.
  Although the direction is positive. Politicized unofficial art in Moscow overly promoted, and Odessa, non-conformism with plenty of name-rusty, and prices, respectively. Although, I like the Odessa-less politics, more art.

[SAH]

Сообщение от Fed; 1304721] A Egorov, so in general - -" Over the shoulders of Yuri Nikolayevich best time in the country of art schools - the Academy of Arts and Muhinka, in Leningrad, was immediately admitted to the Union of Artists of the USSR. »[/QUOTE]
Egorov party apartment exhibitions and without a doubt one of the companions of the unofficial movement in Odessa.

The price for the same Yegorova in Dukat ridiculously low 84 * 92cm. 5 7t.dol!, In my vzgyad it is absolutely marvelous painting. About to sell several times more expensive because it's just funny to read "Well what's wrong ...
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But the theoretical justification of some murky, and most of the artists at auction somehow does not fit in with this word.

Why not? In my opinion this general concept so to speak, which has borne not only the artist of the second half of the 20 th century and contemporary writers. To me personally the idea, the concept of the organizers of the very close and clear. This is a new themed auction where there are "grass and twigs" "Intelligent selection so to speak.

[Fed]

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About to sell several times more expensive because it's just funny to read Well's wrong with that ...

I did not write-bad, but rather is a natural desire.
Someone in Kiev found.

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Underground word beautiful

Let us not forget where it was placed in this interview.
Agree that Leonid Komsky still not on the forum ARTinvestmente it gave.
And yet.
I'm still more to draw attention to Russian art, the art of artists of Russia's true, but Odessa painting as a boundary and know Yuri Yegorov, in particular. I really like his paintings
I even have a catalog of his 2008 exhibition at the gallery NT-Art.
And even as it called the painting Егорова-андерграунд/оверграунд ...