Traders?

[Yaya]

LCR, why go to the police? Quite a controversial decision .. If you can go to court or prosecutor's office?

[Самвел]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Nikogda etogo ne ponimal. Uvazenie nado zasluzit '. Neitral'noe otnoshenie - eto vsio na chto mogut rasschityvat 'neznakomtsy

Of course, I understand what it is you, but often a good car, or clothes worthy of respect than a person. Well, like I've never understood, or rather protested when someone rode up on a good car, so all rise and greet him, while at the same time if someone else drove up to the Zhiguli, then it no attention, as the bud - that if a person on a good car, then he deserves more respect. Personally, I draw attention to each person, and never distinguished man of some external effect it, and do not forget that we are all in-one and the same situation, we all die.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Fed

Where does honesty. The artist received his money, in no way harmed, where there are epithets. That is the question.

That is, as an artist his money was in no way harmed?
You seem rather primitive understanding of the market.

I can only repeat that the final price should be monitored.

That's when these issues will not arise, it will be possible to believe that Russia's market has entered the civilized stage of development.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от LCR

I can only repeat that the final price should be monitored.

That's when these issues will not arise, it will be possible to believe that Russia's market has entered the civilized stage of development.

Add: non-professional work with paintings by gallery owner /dealer can totally ruin the market an artist. Saying this, I mean as excessively rapid inflation of prices and selling at low prices.

Sovershenno s vami soglasen. Izmenenie tsen eto bol'shaia, kropotlivaia rabota.

Kontrol 'neobhodim. Chasto hudozniki, prodavaia iz masterskoi po nizkim tsenam, podryvaiut rabotu galerista. Tandem neobhodim!

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Сообщение от ikoku

Alexander, if you do not understand what a basic respect, then the meaning of the conversation is lost. Not all the same able to "serve". Learn to respect others and people will answer by the same ..

Ia ne zavisim ot mneniia drugih. Ia delaiu to, chto delaiu. A besedovat 'ob uvazenii deistvitel'no schitaiu bespoleznym.

[ikoku]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Ia ne zavisim ot mneniia drugih. Ia delaiu to, chto delaiu. A besedovat 'ob uvazenii deistvitel'no schitaiu bespoleznym.

If you are independent from the views of others, and do not understand that such respect, it is useless and your surprise at the fact that you called the hard-hitting epithets. What you sow - so shall you reap

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от ikoku

If you are independent from the views of others, and do not understand that such respect, it is useless and your surprise at the fact that you called the hard-hitting epithets. What you sow - so shall you reap

Nedoumeniia u menia net. Eto forum, temy gipoteticheskie dlia obsuzdeniia. V reale, lichno u menia, takih voprosov net .

Seiu ia razumnoe, dobroe, vechnoe .

[Pavel]

Alexander! Offense the last case. How Not to mention only the stove did not put. Actually this is a very serious subject-the role of merchant in the world of art. I think that the trader is a link between artist and amateur collectors, etc. This is a very important part but not the main thing. The trader establishes and regulates the prices, even against their wishes. His things he wants to sell more expensive to buy someone else's cheap. Differs from trader collector so that the collector would not give his collection, and vice versa trader is always ready to sell at a profit any its thing. The dealer always Narova nedodat artist, because he turns the money, but the artist is also difficult to cheat, because cheap work is immediately repeated.

[Причал]

Most /always / do not like all a priori "hucksters" those artists whose work at all, or almost never sold.
That is, those who actually rarely enters into commodity-money relations with the "trader" and seemingly does not have any specific examples of dishonesty polls gallery owners.
Among them, incidentally, there are many objectively good artists, but art dealers do not want to have with them the works for the following reasons:

1. They make so-called "non-commercial art." This may be really ill-suited to sell - such as the artist consistently does great work, or, conversely, tiny size. Select "non-commercial materials - fiberboard, hardboard, I personally do not like Pts. much if their application is certainly not justified, for example, three-dimensional nature of the work (a variety of reliefs made of plastic). Not very good for commerce may be, and genre. Who, for example, need personalized portraits, even of very high quality? With an eye to order? But many gallery owners know very well what ends, the estimated customer in the shop. i.t.p.

Often the same "non-commercial artist" - a self-pronounced with a proud expression on his face. In fact, the artist and no attempt is made to ensure that the sell. Or just a bad artist .

2. Contentious nature
Personally, I did not like to deal with hysterical personalities, even if their attacks are not directed at me. Never, never, never criticize other artists, much less commercially more successful than you, even the notorious Nikos let alone . This otkreschivanie from pop (You do this to do, to identify themselves with the prefix "not") do not you add weight. And about your good taste to speak only of your work and nothing more.
Attacks on the authorities (leave me alone, you have both the Wanderers and from Malevich) did not tell the merchant the art except that you have decided to live forever in the opposite camp - artists unsuccessful and always persecuted.

3. The third reason - the artist is difficult to conduct business. Very annoying is not necessary, but willingness to bring the picture in two hours, in contrast, very inspiring. Guess who I'll call when I urgently need anything ?
Not welcome revels with the prices (all varieties revels visible "on time").
Completely ceases to do business with those artists who feel that they are smarter than everyone. I mean the so-called "outputs directly." All these podkaraulivaniya under the guise of the audience, written back on the canvas phones, emails and websites. All this harassment to others' customers at the opening days (customers of other artists too) - leads to the fact that the gallery owners are invited to previews of artists and you only spend money on a charity banquet for their fellow human beings. Yes, and you have no risk there, even to call their own customers - their own rastaschat the corners of your buddies-creators

In general - the artist sold, that is, he always enters into commodity-money relations, whether directly or through an intermediary - is itself "a trader " "And because of certain types of equipment is not nelyubitelem this" breed "
So it may be in order to become commercially successful is sometimes enough to love "huckster" in itself and in another .

[Marta]

I think this is a very bad term - "hucksters." Where he just came up? It preventive is negative. It is strange that some investors have a tenacity to defend .
If we hear from an artist like this, it was only when he ran his finger around, so he clears in impotent rage. Or, for example, the gallery deals with ex-military with all the attendant. And gallery owners or investors in one hucksters, like, not recorded. But some, as follows from the forum itself for some reason do not mind.

[Seriy]

wharf, good "traders" like all t e traders who constantly and in good volume able to sell the artist. But often describe the type, method of doing business which is attempting to obtain the lowest possible price from the artist, including starvation, unfulfilled promises, take your work on commission from the difficult return-of all these stories completely online, including on the forum. Recently, an heir is writing, why he refused the services of vendors and chose art auctions, which regularly and successfully sells work. It is for this reason.
So your statement that "traders" are found only unsold artists, does not correspond to reality and detractors artists. You can call the leading contemporary artists, who refused the services of traffickers and do business themselves, eg Komar and Melamid. At the forum there is even a branch dedicated to one artist ukr, which itself carries on business and all the dealers are stuck for the scale and efficiency.

The term "unsold" artist, too, the notion of conditional in the sense that it is often the title passing. There was no use, after five years does not get it.
It was all necessary - after five years do not know what to do. Your humble servant, he sat a few years ago at an auction Inkombank, where the choir gallery owner tried to persuade to take the job at least a thousand, and now she is probably 50.
Perhaps your observations correspond more salon painting, where the subjects and manners to stand?