Where sunsets sovriska market?

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2227041"

I thought you about the market ...
About the market, then I'm wondering, yes.
But about the "embodiment of the spirit of time", about the "spirit of the age and ethnicity," not really, I confess honestly.

  What can you do if

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2052361"

Talk about the art market, in any case, he goes on art and culture in general.

Well, take a Solomonic decision and go to the market, "embodied the spirit of the time" - that is to say, contemporary art.
Such as fruits of the season, it would seem, guarantees queue at the counter and market growth. But for some reason the current market is not growing.

Сообщение от Tasha, 2227161"

I think that the contemporary art market and therefore do not grow as it should be that he is too tied to the consumer-customer. A customer (recipient) is not a spectator, the buyer or the "spirit of the times", and the add of expert curators media.

I think the reason for stagnation - in the first place - the fact that the demand for seasonal fruits meet the media, market news. In the volatile world of facts sufficiently bright with a powerful symbolic and emotional charge: 11.09.2001, election campaigns, environmental and political disaster, crime, huge show ... In predapokalipticheskoy universe artificial artifacts can not compete with the art-decorated living reality of the flow.
Is there any niches for contemporary art market relevance? In fact, one: the production of emblems (objects or events), used for ideological and political disengagement and design appropriate identities (Bunt pussies and so on.). In this great game curators-experts - intermediaries, not customers. Who are the customers - decide.
All other fruits AI - horror stories, smeshilki, vertelki, Noise Maker and so on. crafts, full of conceptual straw, trying to win a piece of living space in the toy market, razlecheny and garden sculptures. On this patch of curators really running the show, using art as a material for the realization of his own artistic ambitions. Independent artist is not needed. Under the rule of serfdom peak AI artist's career - to break out in his master curators.

Сообщение от Tasha, 2227161"

This is a professional community must not produce new meanings, and evaluate them and "embedded" in the system. Meanings produce artists. But contemporary art is not primarily trying to fall out of the set of values, "please", afraid to show the "wrong" in the eyes of the same community as it means to be an outcast.

In the AI ​​comes to the ridiculous: worshipers carefully mimic the marginality of the fear of being marginalized within their reference group. )))

Artists do not produce meanings. They have them or illustrate, or ignore).
I prefer the second: those who ignore the talent, senses of themselves begin to shine through.)

Сообщение от Tasha, 2227161"

Emerging new artists fall into the trap of actually "here and now" can not make any sense, it is one-dimensional and does not capture the cultural layers of consciousness. And a multi-dimensional work of art can make the viewer feel something. Motive for buying and "I feel something" is replaced to the tune of "I was told that it was good"

The problem is that the viewer for the most one-dimensional, without the "cultural layers in the mind." Io curators, in my experience, the audience is so despised that just does not condescend to talk to him - if that is not a million. And if there is - the more one-dimensional way: it is easier to promote the purchase.
Educate the viewer does not want one ...

Сообщение от Tasha, 2227161"

update for the market could be sovriska motto - New Sincerity!!!!

Tasha, a few more exclamation points - and we all believe it ...
At a young naive new AI blooms with long aftertaste of stale concepts.
However, where the AI ​​infected sincerity - the disease is not fatal only recognized, financially independent bison - it drifts toward pop and classical genres, etc. (on our soil - Osmolovsky ("The task of art - call catharsis"), Kulik and others. )
In one cart can not harness a horse and quivering doe: or AI, or sincerity.
That's the dialectic. Under the influence of a sovriske will continue to go bundle and regressive mutation.
You can take part in this process.)

[Posav]

I understand that Gelman, Aidan and Regina excessive politicization in favor liberasty chopped branch on which he sat . Russian national elite was zapadlo buy anti-Russian "works ." In the West sovrisk performs its function interior and exterior of fun for the richest , the Russian sovrisk entered politics , but the coup happened, no bullets in Washington brought the ... and zilch, all blown away.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Art-lover

under the rule of serfdom peak AI artist's career - to break out in his master curators.

Art-lover, confirming studies.
Supervision has grown into a separate caste.

"I curators oids! (Where I teach?)"

[kazerov]

Сообщение от Posav

I understand that Gelman, Aidan and Regina excessive politicization in favor liberasty chopped branch on which he sat . National Russian elite was zapadlo buy anti-Russian "works " . In the West sovrisk performs its function interior and exterior of fun for the richest , the Russian sovrisk entered politics , but the coup happened, no bullets in Washington brought the ... and zilch, all blown away .

and you're talking about what period ? ...
I have about the period before the crisis, with 90 8th year was a different experience , even the opposite: the Russian elite was zapadlo buy pro , pro-Russian "works ." (But I can not say - only impression)

[Posav]

Сообщение от kazerov

and you talk about what period?
...

I was just about the last five years.
Yet Putin and the "United Russia" created by local ethnic Russian financial elite and they buy some text gelmanovskuyu well, not to his face.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от kazerov

pro-Russian, pro-Russian "works"

And this is what "works"?

Are?

[Posav]

Сообщение от kazerov

pro-Russian, pro-Russian "works"

Those who are not with a nationalist tinge to trende for the power elite.
You know yourself, go with the nationalists marsh in demonstrations.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Posav

Yet Putin "United Russia" created by local ethnic Russian financial elite

Who is this?
Rotenberg brothers?
Arkady Abramovich?
Gennady Timchenko?
Viktor Vekselberg?
Oleg Deripaska?

[Posav]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Who is that?
Rotenberg brothers?
Arkady Abramovich?
Gennady Timchenko?
Viktor Vekselberg?
Oleg Deripaska?

Let's just say, loyal to Putin and the "United Russia".
After all, advertising was "all his" (those who are loyal).

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Posav

Let's just say, loyal to Putin and the "United Russia".

I realized this, but I asked to name names and even gave some as a tip.

You do not know the names of the representatives "of the domestic Russian national financial elite"?