Problems and prospects of the Russian art market

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Сообщение от Olga Ozolina ; 1677931"

and indeed the fate of thousands of LIVE RUSSIAN ARTISTS, whose paintings are not sold and there is nothing to eat, somewhere behind the scenes it turns out, a pity.

 
Olga Ozolina, and now what? Why not take related professions ?
Severely stratified society , corrupt and criminalized izvravscheno ..
The fact that " thousands of artists do not sell " , not the worst of it ( the society ) the problem (much to put it mildly ) ..
(ranking does not open)
Small Gollancz ( huzhodniki ) for example not only of " pure art " involved , and more generally parallel to what some business kept ..
And other examples of complete .. Usually the artists were those who head for our daily bread does not hurt .. ( rents were , etc.) who had had a garden ( for example, Pissarro ) ..
Institute of socialism remained cottages , so do not worry, do not starve will die.
But if the " good life " they have to , well, so everyone here bustles in accordance with its capabilities , needs and desires ..
Sorry if someone is harsh, but " welcome to reality!"

[Ольга Озолина]

Someone focuses on money, or poor customer service, but we must not forget that all of the same commodity on the art market - the work itself!

Objective criteria for assessing the masterpieces there, of course. EXP - expert assessment, and ratings in general can be any number, even in each gallery. At PAX, for example, also ranking him in three categories: academics, chlenkory and all the rest. And the ratings may be any sales of their complete in the world.

But according to some "Hamburg score" is the same scale! and Repin, the great artist, regardless of where and how to sell! Hence, there is the art market some objective criteria other than money market instruments, etc.!

And among those thousands of artists who are bad, there are the same geniuses, future Repin! And they do not become worse because their pictures are worth a penny! And wild animals sold for a bottle, but also a genius!

I'm messy, probably, and emotsionalnro wrote, but has become painful, sorry. Money, money, market, and forget about art. And without the market and it never ceases to be art.

Here's how to tie one here and another? Do not sell the same refrigerator. And I just hurt when the work of a follower 1000go Warhol sold at auction more Zvereva.

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Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1679383"

that all the same commodity on the art market - the work itself!

No, it's not! Do not just "work itself" but then, whose it is, (whose signature is) well, and provenance, of course ....
"The very work" without these attributes (almost) not worth anything ..

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1679383"

And among those thousands of artists who are bad, there are the same geniuses, future Repin! And they do not become worse because their pictures are worth a penny! And wild animals sold for a bottle, but also a genius!

So what? Repin would live now, just misery! (What do you think?)
 

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1679383"

And without a market and it never ceases to be art.

So what? Art is art .. And then what?
But as non-art with an art market!

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1679383"

And I just hurt when the work of a follower 1000go Warhol sold at auction more Zvereva.

But it is bad! We must conquer ourselves (save)
 http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=126543- read this topic (can help) ...

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1679383"

So is the art market some objective criteria other than money market instruments, etc.!

No drugig "objectively criteria!

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1679383"

Repin, the great artist, regardless of where and how to sell!

Olga Ozolina, my dear. Do you really think that Repin sell (buy) because it is a great artist? They sell because it's investment equity

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Someone focuses on money, or poor customer service, but we must not forget that all of the same commodity on the art market - the work itself!

Objective criteria for assessing the masterpieces there, of course. EXP - expert assessment, and ratings in general can be any number, even in each gallery. At PAX, for example, also ranking him in three categories: academics, chlenkory and all the rest. And the ratings may be any sales of their complete in the world.

But according to some "Hamburg score" is the same scale! and Repin, the great artist, regardless of where and how to sell! Hence, there is the art market some objective criteria other than money market instruments, etc.!

And among those thousands of artists who are bad, there are the same geniuses, future Repin! And they do not become worse because their pictures are worth a penny! And wild animals sold for a bottle, but also a genius!

I'm messy, probably, and emotsionalnro wrote, but has become painful, sorry. Money, money, market, and forget about art. And without the market and it never ceases to be art.

Here's how to tie one here and another? Do not sell the same refrigerator. And I just hurt when the work of a follower 1000go Warhol sold at auction more Zvereva.

In my opinion, this forum is someone recommended this book, but I would recommend it again: Donald Thompson, "How to sell for 12 million stuffed shark." Do you want to understand the mechanisms of the market and modern methods of evaluation work? Everything is easy to understand, clearly written and multiply. Explore. Most of the issues that you raise in this thread, comes off by itself. However, there we are talking about the Western model of art, but we still come to her. The only question period. The book, incidentally, is brilliant. I recommend to all. Reads like a detective novel.

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Сообщение от Alec Sander

True, there it is a Western-style art, but we still come to her.
The only question period.

There we are talking about contemporary Western art.

The Russian market is very specific.

Not so easy.

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Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

and animals sold for a bottle, but also a genius!

If not hard, share thoughts, what it's genius?

[L-ana64110]

Frankly speaking , sitting for days in this forum may indeed seem that no auctions and no ratings at all life from the artist, and to earn money may not > > , but because life is diverse and interesting.
Many great artists earn good money, good build shops in the resorts themselves , have a stable of admirers , and they then believe me, do not care about ratings, and so they are OK! And what will happen after their death , what's the difference ? This is a question of heirs.
Life is beautiful and amazing! Live and rejoice, what we have achieved - beloved work , friends and colleagues will be able to participate , in the exhibitions. Fate will determine where to go next .

If you set a goal to achieve international recognition , and millions of work - can also be finished off his persistent and focused, but will have to work hard for seven , ie, must not only be good pros, but also possess great energy to participate in various fairs and biennale , produced the most myself , "keep your nose to the wind " - a modern tendency to feel used and Twa ... so much more ..

Good luck!

[Ольга Озолина]

Alex Sander , thanks for a book about Old Hirst shark , and whether you have a reference to it online?
And I have yet to here any comment found .
http://www.liberty.ru/groups/Intelle...chuchelo-akuly
And agreed : the art - not a brand , and market mechanisms in the car or refrigerator market do not apply here .
Let's look at the price of Hirst's 10-20 years old . I think it would be cheaper when the boom passed. A Repin will rise in price only because it's true creativity and Hurst - a spectacular story , almost a theater . Hearst also can be replicated , and each stroke is unique Repin . And all that invented Hurst, long before he coined the Warhol , but all these inventions are covered once and for all " squares " of Malevich.
This is my personal opinion . But I think that many critics agree with me.

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Сообщение от L-ana64110; 1679673"

A lot of fine artists make good money ,

L-ana64110, " to announce the entire list, pzhlsta " (C ) For Olga Ozolina ( but I'm also wondering ...)

Сообщение от L-ana64110; 1679673"

If you set a goal to achieve international recognition , and millions of work - can also be finished off his persistent and focused, but will have to work hard for seven , ie, must not only be a good pro, but have great energy to participate in various fairs and biennale , was produced by himself , "keep your nose to the wind " - to feel the trends of modern research , and Twa ... so much more ..

 Some of the " CH "=Charismatic Geniuses ( Hearst as ) makes much easier: just organize the process ..

L-ana64110, are rather the harsh truth of life ,,,

[L-ana64110]

NATA NOVA, Why do you need the entire list?


People live well, and thank God!
Were able to arrange his life according to their capacities and beautiful!


I mean, you have to filter out clearly their motivation.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от L-ana64110

NATA NOVA, Why do you need the entire list?

But "pure" academic interest, "nada"!