Arthur Braginsky

[Евгений]

Veronic, this same post about artist Arthur Braginsky, will tell a little about it or show interest in your opinion work.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Eugene

Veronic, this same post about artist Arthur Braginsky, will tell a little about it or show interest in your opinion work.

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Perhaps I'll start with this work. The picture is called "The Birth of Consciousness" oil on canvas, 2004. Sold. A Chinese buyer.
It symbolizes the birth of human consciousness. Birth of a new era. Remains of clothing in the form of ether a girl - is the old ideas, is something that binds man to the physical world. Two of the aura is astral and vital plan. It is possible that new people (Indigo) will be different. In the view of Arthur's paintings of the future will be harmonious, information, artists will draw only from the higher planes. Current actual art derives its energy from the astral plane of the lower worlds, people who have created their own thought forms. See Erich Neumann, "Psychoanalysis and Art"

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Veronic

Current actual art draws its energy from the astral plane of the lower worlds, people who have created their own thought forms. See Erich Neumann, "Psychoanalysis and Art"

Veronic, just curious why you referred to the Neumann? He terms such as "astral plane" and "thought forms" does not operate.

And on the date (for its time), art (Chagall, Picasso, Chirico, Klee, Braque, Moore, abstractionists ...) he wrote as an art expressing the highest truth of the era (of course, we are not talking about a cohort of mediocre imitators).

Сообщение от Erich Neumann

... is very easy to be misled and to begin to perceive our world and its art, as the sheer destruction. For all we have not yet parted with the habit of believing in the established images of absolute ideas and values, perceived only as an archetype of the eternal form, but not as shapeless dynamics forget the great commandment of God, which states: "did not create yourself an idol. "
But take us completely negative phenomenon of our time and our art with the chaos meant to show a complete misunderstanding. All of these artists have one thing in common: they all grasped the creative truth, stating that the spirit goes there where he wants; and even in those cases where they are, at first glance, to lend his life by accident, this happened not only because the ego is shaken by leaving all hope for knowledge, but also because deep down they believe - under the surface of random action some larger truth. Informed refusal on the form is often misinterpreted as the inability to take the form of incompetence. In fact, the disintegration of consciousness, the artist returns to a comprehensive participation in the world, contains constructive and creative elements of a new vision of the world.

(bold font - my).

If it simply, the idea of penetrating Neumann in all his works is that a "disharmonious" forms of the outstanding artists who have broken with the traditional canons of beauty, expressed most divine, and not the "lowest energy".

[Евгений]

Art-lover, Thank you very much, at least one posting on the forum can be safely read ..
Veronic, Painting, excellent ..

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Art-lover

Veronic, just curious why you referred to the Neumann? He terms such as "astral plane" and "thought forms" does not operate.

And on the date (for its time), art (Chagall, Picasso, Chirico, Klee, Braque, Moore, abstractionists ...) he wrote as an art expressing the highest truth of the era (of course, we are not talking about a cohort of mediocre imitators).

  (bold - mine).

If it simply, the idea of penetrating Neumann in all his works is that a "disharmonious" forms of the outstanding artists who have broken with the traditional canons of beauty, expressed most divine, and not the "lowest energy".

Perhaps we read different Neumann.
I quote, unfortunately the book does not get rewritten, but something.
"The mental field of creative people differ integrity, due to the dominance of transpersonal in their mental substratum. They (the artists) were moving in the same direction, but kept their unknown impulse within them, and not before paved roads. This phenomenon is called simply-Zeitgeist - and no one is trying to explain it "....... It is a collective unconscious, or those the same thought-forms. more
"Appearing in the last sixty years, the artists got into the power of force, capable to destroy them. These artists are not the masters (in the old sense), and the victims, even when they are the masters of the situation. As a result of the fact that the shape of the outside world was shattered, Technology painting, which can be defined and which can be learned ceased to exist "The collapse of the cultural canon, mind you, and not self

Furthermore
"As a result of the fact that the shape of the outside world was shattered, painting technique, which can be defined, and you can learn practically ceased to exist. All the artists are devilish vozdestviyu by internal forces. Where have not driven them in force, loneliness and illness, as Munch, in madness, like Van Gogh, the distant prehistoric island, as Gauguin, in the amorphous world of inner transformation, such as Picasso, their frustration and stress, in which they worked sharply contrasted with the calmness of artists of the past, feel the tradition bearers "This is a brief definition Neumann" The collapse of the cultural canon "

Note the growth of speech does not go anywhere. What to talk about their followers. Maybe it's a road to nowhere?
"Astral Plane", "thought forms" is a definition of Roerich, Agni Yoga "

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Сообщение от Art-lover

[B]Note from Erich Neumann
... very easy to be misled and to begin to perceive our world and its art, as the sheer destruction. For all we have not yet parted with the habit of believing in the established images of absolute ideas and values, perceived only as an archetype of the eternal form, but not as shapeless dynamics forget the great commandment of God, which states: "did not create yourself an idol. "
But to completely negative phenomenon us our time and our art with the chaos means to exercise complete misunderstanding. All these artists have one thing in common: they all grasped the creative truth, stating that the spirit goes there where he wants, and even in those cases where they are, at first glance, to lend his life by accident, this happened not only because that the shock of ego left any hope of cognition, but also because deep down they believe - under the surface of randomness operates some larger truth. Informed refusal on the form is often misinterpreted as the inability to take the form of incompetence. In fact, the disintegration of consciousness, the artist returns to a comprehensive participation in the world, contains constructive and creative elements of a new vision of the world.

Here is another quote your quote Neumann, with little explanation. Neumann wrote
"beneath the surface of randomness operates some larger truth."

Yes, they believed in it in their hearts, but all the same were in the power of the unconscious chaos and trying to give form to chaos, but in this chaos was born a new beginning.
Perhaps it is difficult to understand, you can continue to talk with quotations, it is possible that we will come to a common understanding.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Veronic

I guess we read different Neumann.

We read one book, but in different ways.
I tried to draw your attention to total Neumann's position on the new art, the spirit of his articles.
If you pull up statements from the general context, it will vremyaubiystvennaya and senseless war quotations.

The collapse of the old cultural canon is not considered by the author as a phenomenon that should mourn. This is a natural consequence of global change in the world. Appointment of creative art direction - to destroy the familiar canon, with his "beautiful".

I will cite a few passages, as this MB interesting for all participants of the forum, and in strict accordance with the meaning of texts Neumann .

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"The great art of this kind almost always contains the tragedy. Compensation of the cultural canon means opposition to him, that is, opposition to the consciousness and values of the era. A creative artist whose mission is to compensate for the cultural canon, and consciousness is usually isolated individual, a hero, who must destroy the old order to allow the sun to climb new.
...
Behest of the time works in the artist, even if he does not want this or that dictates not feel, or do not understand its true value. In this sense it is similar to a seer, a prophet, a mystic. And just when it does not reflect the existing canon, but radically transforms it, his work rises to the sacral level, because it directly reflects the truth and the supernatural. "

For implementation of "prophetic" mission is never guaranteed nor candy of life, nor peace of mind. You talk about self-improvement? Self-Help for the prophet - are all steps to ensure that the crowd be trampled or crucified overseers "canon".

"...there is still the art of the day before yesterday. But this pseudo-fake innocence, which is trying to cover the long-life light faded stars, is no less concern than the art that belongs to our time ".

The one piece of text that you bring about the artists who have broken with the old canon - that the "frustration and stress, in which they work, contrasted sharply with the calm of artists past and feel native traditions," has no meaning at Neumann's condemnation of this situation and the call to return to calm and grace of harmony. All just the opposite - he sympathizes with the true Creator, who is our age doomed to bear the cross in the throes of disharmony. Because without these desperate efforts could not be given a new form of chaos. What it will be - we do not know.

One thing is certain - it will not be found any "method of the ostrich - by immersing their heads in the sand (self-imposed isolation from the spirit of the time) to" obtain information from the higher planes, nor the method of embalming the mummies of the old canon.

Admix theosophic terms (thought forms, astral ...) in the language of psychoanalysis - that's quite serious.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Art-lover

We read one book, but in different ways.
I tried to draw your attention to total Neumann's position on the new art, the spirit of his articles.
If you pull up statements from the general context, it will vremyaubiystvennaya and senseless war quotations.

The collapse of the old cultural canon is not considered by the author as a phenomenon that should mourn. This is a natural consequence of global change in the world. Appointment of creative art direction - to destroy the familiar canon, with his "beautiful".

I will cite a few passages, as this MB interesting for all participants of the forum, and in strict accordance with the meaning of texts Neumann .

Читать дальше... 

"The great art of this kind almost always contains the tragedy. Compensation of the cultural canon means opposition to him, that is, opposition to the consciousness and values of the era. A creative artist whose mission is to compensate for the cultural canon, and consciousness is usually isolated individual, a hero, who must destroy the old order to allow the sun to climb new.
...
Behest of the time works in the artist, even if he does not want this or that dictates not feel, or do not understand its true value. In this sense it is similar to a seer, a prophet, a mystic. And just when it does not reflect the existing canon, but radically transforms it, his work rises to the sacral level, because it directly reflects the truth and the supernatural. "

For implementation of "prophetic" mission is never guaranteed nor candy of life, nor peace of mind. You talk about self-improvement? Self-Help for the prophet - are all steps to ensure that the crowd be trampled or crucified overseers "canon".

"...there is still the art of the day before yesterday. But this pseudo-fake innocence, which is trying to cover the long-life light faded stars, is no less concern than the art that belongs to our time ".

The one piece of text that you bring about the artists who have broken with the old canon - that the "frustration and stress, in which they work, contrasted sharply with the calm of artists past and feel native traditions," has no meaning at Neumann's condemnation of this situation and the call to return to calm and grace of harmony. All just the opposite - he sympathizes with the true Creator, who is our age doomed to bear the cross in the throes of disharmony. Because without these desperate efforts could not be given a new form of chaos. What it will be - we do not know.

One thing is certain - it will not be found any "method of the ostrich - by immersing their heads in the sand (self-imposed isolation from the spirit of the time) to" obtain information from the higher planes, nor the method of embalming the mummies of the old canon.

Admix theosophic terms (thought forms, astral ...) in the language of psychoanalysis - that's quite lightly.

Unfortunately, such conversations can not do without theosophical terms, since they most accurately reflect the true (but it does not lie on the surface)

"What it is (new form) - we do not know." I think that this is the key phrase.
We can do an analysis of the past, but we do not know the future, but an artist has intuition. Now, many artists are beginning to talk about harmony, and despite the still chaotic and sometimes angry spirit of the times already emerging shoots of this harmony. Can ordinary people do not feel them, but artists such as thin wires is already expressed (see, artists are beginning to turn to the topic of cosmic energy).
Maybe it now seems ridiculous, stupid and naive. But just look silly Turner, when drawing their pictures (energy and elements)

[Евгений]

Veronic, Veronica, and Arthur, what he thinks about creativity? Interesting to listen to him ..

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Eugene

Veronic, Veronica, and Arthur, what he thinks about creativity? Interesting to listen to him ..

Arthur thinks that since people worked in the era of education in various fields of painting, music, poetry, today we have nothing we can oppose them. We look at this background, the helpless and cynical.
  But at the same time there is no need to work as masters of the past work. Great artists all gave themselves painting, against the background of religious censorship and under constant fear of death they created masterpieces.

At the same time in Europe now, there has been a serious crisis in the arts. Recently appeared a surprising number of amateurs in art, and to determine the level of skill of the artist becomes almost impossible. Today, all painted in his free time any person express themselves. He also has free access to exhibition space. Therefore, many galleries in Europe began to bow down to realistic painting, where you can see the skill of execution. The trend the past two years is evident (and this we are witnesses). We now have signed contracts with galleries in Europe, like France gallery Grail chooses only realistic painting high-level performance. According to the owner today to sell the actual gallery contemporary art is extremely difficult. People do not have the spiritual and intellectual needs in contemporary art, because it has ceased to be semantic and innovative load. Increasingly, you can hear the words "bubble", and more people are inclined to think that he will soon burst.

Today we see that many of the values that have been lifted up on a pedestal collapsed, and real estate and stocks, and gold and jewels, and even money (you can watch the movie "Zeitgeist"). All declared that securities can be questioned. For example, if someone says that this is a work of art valuable, and it meets all standards of aesthetics of our time, it's all a big question, and should ponder this. According to Arthur's world is now stopped and froze. Mankind has no purpose other than consumption. Human civilization - is a big threat to all living creatures. Today human intellect is the dust of eternity.

[Konstantin]

Many artists are beginning to talk about harmony, and despite the still chaotic and sometimes angry spirit of the time

Give an example of disharmony in the paintings of Van Gogh or Picasso.

According to Arthur's world is now stopped and froze. Mankind has no purpose other than consumption. Human civilization - is a big threat to all living creatures. Today human intellect is the dust before eternity.

This idea is eternal, before and people were more honest and better (this is Genghis Khan and his comrades have to tell) and the sun brighter, and so on.

I am sure that people are always the same - but he was Chekhov, but it was, and de Sade.