The value of the underground works of artists today is much higher than their price.

[Евгений]

Cyril Syzransky, can certainly remember another artists' South Russian Wave M. Gelman, another 3-4, but it's an exception to the rule .. agree that such talented gallerists like Marat .. now effectively dead.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Eugene, talented people, and without Hellmann strikes.
Just recently on the forum the question was about A. Pozdeeva. From Krasnoyarsk artist, from the very "heart" of Siberia, one might say.
And the authors of Vladimir?
No, I understand everything about the city, but just so "is a regional writer," I try not to talk.
Yes, and Gelman, if it is remembered as an adult he moved to Moscow.
And about Odessa, to say nothing of the history of the city as she gave both Russia and the world, as not all the capital has given.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от "Eugene

agree that such talented gallerists like Marat

I agree!

Сообщение от "Cyril Syzransky

talented people, and without Hellmann strikes.

Aha!
Of course!
(I wonder just where and how long?)

[SAH]

Сообщение от Fed

But how diligent reader forum, I am guided by the views of the guru:

Pavel always said - it is easy to buy and sell hard.

You should ask Paul who exactly he meant, do not themselves know.
I think that it is about his paintings, he said.
If so I am personally with him on all 100 agree

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Сообщение от Fed

So, what I write applies to my style and my vision of the situation.

You all do not forget that your honorable way it private, this public forum is popular among many people. I like his Egorova bought for 10,000 dollars. at a time when its approximate price in the market was 5000 7000dol. I offered him more than I paid naamnogo and more than once. So, your private view of the situation for me banal amateurism.

[тандем]

If we assume from the title of the topic, the conversation in the first place was to keep the value of underground artists, their personalities, and works as a phenomenon as a fact of Soviet history, in comparison with the more prosaic - the price of bank notes, but today.
Discussion began with the end - with deneg.Prichem timeframe has been extended until Mas with Il'icheva, no relation to the "underground" does not have as much to the "Odessa non-conformist" and even more so. ...
 On istokah.Vse was much more prosaic than the "legends and myths ".... http://www.igrunov.ru/cat/vchk-cat-n...114060880.html

[Евгений]

Сообщение от tandem

discussion began with the end - with the money

Started normally:

Сообщение от SAH; 1304391"

the underground artists in the Soviet times - is Sergei Paradjanov, Ivan Marchuk, Nicholas Tregub, Vudon Baklitsky, Yuri Yegorov, and many of our countrymen. In the 1960-1980-ies do not accept the Union of Artists, was not allowed to participate in exhibitions and artists in general are not considered .....

Topic is interesting, we have to wait another comment Ukrainian collectors ..

[Кирилл Сызранский]

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And the timeframe has been extended until Mas with Il'icheva, no relation to the "underground" does not have as much to the "Odessa non-conformist" and even more so. ...

Mas with Il'ichevo were given by me in response to Eugene as an example of fame "of regional artists from outside the region. And only.
"Underground" in this case is really innocent.

[SAH]

Сообщение от "tandem

conversation in the first place was supposed to go

And now in many themes after the pair three participants reduced the level of conversation.
A million times already talked about that before you write a good idea to think about.

[тандем]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky; 1308771"

as an example of fame "of regional artists "......

Elena Il'icheva, her essay "Revelation of the painter:" I will lead humanity for a country of beauty and grace! "- This is so, neither more nor less: a true Renaissance mighty audacity !..... And you - "regional artists." TOUCH!
But back to the underground. Odessa in particular. As soon as it comes to the period 60-80 years of the last century, this theme becomes dominant. Lists the artists of the time, mostly known today, a narrow circle of experts and collectors. The exceptions are two or three names. And the first is always placed N. Egorov - Member of the Union since 1957 goda.Presleduemym was not worked, is constantly exposed. Next sharply descending popularity. The artist, in the real underground, Nikolai Novikov - is known for it, as for instance the Russian A.Zverev.Ego name rarely mentioned gle. Valentin Sirenko, Victor Pavlov ..... What's wrong? Not talented, not identity? God forbid the current painters with a truly Renaissance mighty audacity "one particle of their talent.
Perhaps the value of the underground works of artists today is much higher than their tseny.Tak as measured by today, and all one measure - the price! . Those that "rub" here is the reverse, to put it mildly, cunning. And so I have no doubt, as these apologists nonkomformizma go underground and if they face the question arises, what to buy - a sketch kartonochku ispatannogo at auction of the "People" or painting Risovicha ......
"Underground" in this case is really innocent.

[SAH]

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how to go, these apologists nonkomformizma and underground if they face the question arises, what to buy - a sketch kartonochku ispatannogo at auction of the "People" or painting Risovicha ......
"Underground" in this case is really innocent.

I know where the people's assembly and does not smell and they are not and never did, people just gather informally, hanging on the walls. There are also those whose collection is divided into sections, 19vek Wanderers, Russian avant-garde early 20 th century, the Parisian school, classic Odessa, Crimea, Odessa informal, Russian, Lvov underground, etc. and collector of pulling out, buying regular fabric inserts it in his section.

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Here is a list of names of artists participating in Odessa apartment exhibitions in 1970 in Odessa, and some of them in Moscow. Odessa Nonconformist Artists

The following artists took an active part in the unofficial, so called "apartment exhibitions" in the 1970s in Odessa. Some of them participated in the "apartment exhibitions" in Moscow as well.

    * Valentin Altanietz (1 936 - 1 995)
    * Andrey Antoniuk
    * Alexander Anufriev
    * Valery Basanietz
    * Alexei Bokatov
    * Igor Bozhko
    * Valentin Khrushch (one thousand nine hundred forty-three - 2 005)
    * Michail Kowalski
    * Ruslan Makoev
    * Victor Mariniuk
    * Volodymyr Naumez
    * Nikolay Novikov
    * Victor Pavlov
    * Valery Parfenenko
    * Evgeni Rakhmanin
    * Viktor Risovich
    * Sergei Savchenko
    * Vitaly Sazonov
    * Valentin Shapavlenko
    * Yuri Shurevich (1937 - 1,997)
    * Oleg Sokolov
    * Nikolai Stepanov (sculptor) (1937 - 2003)
    * Alexander Stovbur
    * Vladimir Strelnikov
    * Stanislav Sytchov (-2,003 in 1937)
    * Vladimir Tziupko
    * Alexander Voloshinov
    * Ludmilla Yastreb (one thousand nine hundred forty-five - in 1980)
    * Anna Zil'berman

here http://www.artodessa.com/index.php?p...037f6ef39d7c38