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Старый 15.11.2013, 23:34 Язык оригинала: Русский       #51
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And if the artist (in the broad sense) without training can create magic , you have to be a fool to learn.
And if you can not but believe that somewhere inside him have this ability , you have to learn and find a way through the magic of professional skill .

Basquiat and Koons does the magic .
Sergei is truly magic , the magic of large numbers ) )
If the dog has been signed by Koons Smith , I think that the magic would be gone. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
You have a very rational approach , if you seriously believe that these amounts are paid " for cause."
In fact, there is nothing rational .
Just a man can not believe it and trying to somehow justify qualities things , and because of obvious qualities not then have to invent non-obvious : MAGIC .

P.S. It is rooted in the human belief in justice , fairness or Higher . General concept of a just peace - it is our need for security and control.
 The world is just big money paid for works of genius , those who are exposed to aggression provokes cheat - suckers , honors and punishment - they deserved. These simple concepts enable man to feel confident : me nothing bad will happen , because I do not provoke , I do not goof - I did not cheat , do not punish me - I 've done nothing wrong . Here's to preserve the stability of the world and we are ready to see the genius , magic and a lot of other advantages that worth 10 million. Because what's at stake the safety of my world , and not some Koons .
But it has brought me . <! - ~ 12 ~ ->



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If the last one hundred years of art, having left the world of images and ideas come to the desert , filled with "waves of non-objective sensation ," that nowadays total lie and glamor immensely swollen glossy synthetic colors Koons sculpture - it's getting to the point!

Good article about contemporary art <! - ~ 12 ~ ->
All lies : art consultant Kitty Obolenskaya total lies about contemporary art

Kitty Obolensky - slim and aggressive art historian . Engaged in art- consulting. Commissioned by the London publisher Collins & James , and Moscow's " Word" is writing a book about the lies. Introduction - in front of you .

I'm very good at lying, but it is unlikely to my inborn quality. My life has taught me to lie quietly without changing facial expressions, not much straining internally. It so happened that I was constantly lied to . At first the parents, then teachers, professors , boys , girls, grandmother , husbands , lovers , employers, customers - anyone who got in my way. However, I do not consider myself lying through. Just when I want something badly , I'm lying , lying fearlessly . I even developed an acute eye for subtle lies . A good lie - as the world of expensive fantasy film , you seem to know everything , but immediately begin to believe in the three-meter blue men , or even to something like this . That's just my skills still seem modest and awkward compared to what is called the world of contemporary art - that there really is someone to learn, the more I , humble but lovely art consultant .
Man inexperienced about a work of art will say, " Nonsense , I can do that too ! " And tempted to answer : "It can not, because someone before you did it. He made the first , especially since it's not a lie, and the substitution does not sell, and provocation . " The question is always in the criteria . And they do not, as there are no boundaries , there are no restrictions for credit card when you stand in front of a vintage Alexander McQueen. There is a saying, cane, which are overgrown shore, and through it have not seen the river. Reed whispers in my ear : "Do not show off . Do all, if you're in the game . "
If you are an artist , you have to be arrogant, unwise and Bezruk - then you have a chance . If you're a critic, you have to be arrogant, unwise , ambitious, drunk - then you have a chance . If you are a gallery owner , you have to be arrogant, ambitious, illiterate and agile . Arrogance and ambition in this field are the main components of success , as well as pure distilled lie. Once you have lost the audacity and ambition , you're falling out of the pack, and a pack of chewing on you, starting with the heel and then to the throat. As soon as you stop lying, hangout spits you to go to hell .
So, all lying, but lying to whom? Lie mainly with each other. Viewers and buyers , those who really should be addressed to the fiery message of visual art or new media in these processes do not participate . It is interesting to three hundred little people who are cooked in liquid Russian gruel of half coarsely chopped hogweed , half of barley , tinted watercolor. This is not New York, Rib eye fat - boy, and even London, where he is found in potato chips hoo what a fish , or even stupid , coiled strudel Vienna . There's an awesome car , there is industry , where market.

Everyone who is somehow related to contemporary art and neighboring areas it painless extraction of money out of thin air , are afraid to voice the obvious truth , because then you have to look for another job and start to live differently , without the aged champagne " Veuve Clicquot " with no itemization Prada and the mini Cooper .

Beyond the borders of our dear fatherland notion of " beauty " and "value" form the masters of illusion with a subtle understanding of the zeitgeist perfectly knowing to whom they directly address his next TURNING lie. You can pay millions for the obvious stuff , but only if the same is set in MoMA , is at Prada or Pinot if de Pury rolls his eyes and rubs his hands together gleefully , getting it on a regular Sale, if the same hang out swashbuckling Gagosian , indifferent or languid Joplin Saatchi . And what is the result? As a result, the language is not rotated and call it a hoax .
To me it is obvious that in Russia this just yet, and hardworking people pretend that they are, just now came out somewhere for a minute . While there is only a rare chain of collectors , a dozen narzanom jaded critics and assorted hundred artists, so to speak, serving the same runway on which no one has sat down for a long time , and with which no one takes off. They do not form and create the market . Although three of the magazine " ArtChronika" open , the market does not appear. Tradition does not , there is no continuity , so easily arise ghost stories , obstryapannye bad as never look any truth . Take, for example , the last Grand Master of Kabakov Moscow exhibition , which had almost no work done by his own hand .
In this case, all those who in one way or another connected with contemporary art and neighboring areas it painless extraction of money out of thin air , are afraid to voice the obvious truth , because then you have to look for another job and start to live differently , without the aged champagne " Veuve Clicquot " without Prada belongings and mini Cooper . Therefore razgulivanie through the streets naked king of false coordinates declared art. This Actionism or activism . N'est-ce pas? And here we return to the battered as Spartak fans after the match on the road, the phrase about a thousand times repeated lie that supposedly becomes the truth . No, it does not become. Rants overlaundered forehead wrinkle and contemptuous move pimply nose wings toward the uncomprehending , saying that the laity are unable to discern the hidden meanings behind it - all the king did not clothe . Clumsy lie remains a lie , no matter what clever and intrepid hands or dissected it, using the whole range of achievements of French philosophy , sociology, American and highly advanced Marxist theory.
Only one way out - it is necessary to continue to lie, lie to complicate , make it a refined , subtle and elegant ! Let them eat it and not choke on those who do get into the throat , though there will be many - thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions ...
Fortunately , the world is bigger than our dear wicket than our cemetery overgrown with burdock and lop-sided belfry in the style of the late Polenov. And this big tasty and good world should be our goal .
We should stop fighting, forced to end petty squabbles , pay off a spit and smoldering feud with one voice , skillfully , relentlessly and without compromise to begin creating a new national lie , to lie behind the main tool for the basic platform for the motherboard of what is called modern art. For the role model we take figures from the Russian avant-garde Casimir Severinychem and fellow Rodchenko headed . Vyzhiga charming companion Lissitzky , backed by the GPU and the Commissariat , quickly taught them to fool the thirsty to partake of the new art world elite . So lie to learn, learn and learn ... in a real way , to paraphrase Lenin's grandfather . And we can do it .



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Старый 16.11.2013, 13:37 Язык оригинала: Русский       #53
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Sergei is truly magic , the magic of large numbers) )
If the dog Koons was signed Smith , I think that would be the magic was gone. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
You have a very sensible approach if you seriously believe that these amounts are paid " for cause."
In fact, there is nothing rational .
Just a man can not believe it and trying to somehow justify the qualities of things , and since there is no obvious qualities , we have to come up with non-obvious : MAGIC .

P.S. It is rooted in the human belief in justice , fairness or Higher . In general, the concept of a just peace - it is our need for security and control.
 World is just big money paid for works of genius , aggression are those who provokes, cheating - suckers , honors and punishment - he deserved. These simple concepts enable man to feel good about yourself : I've nothing bad will happen , because I do not provoke , I did not goof , I do not cheat , do not punish me - I have not done anything wrong . Here's to preserve the stability of the world and we are ready to see the genius , magic and a lot of other advantages in that it is worth 10 million. Because what's at stake the safety of my world , and not some Koons .
But it has brought me . <! - ~ 12 ~ ->
zarajara I have the full experience that you do not respond to my post , even though there is a quote of my post . I have separated the money and "Magic" in 2 of the post . In the first part of the post I make a point to where on the amount taken generally as 100 million, with no reference to the name.
In the second part I make a point of why students learn (your question).
Where I have written that I believe that it is Basquiat should not cost so much ?
You responded as if I , if I took you to an opposite position. But I do not hold such a position .
Let's not increase the number of misunderstandings .

I'll try again briefly articulate.
1. Outrageous sums are taken because of the modern banking capital to concentrate and remove from circulation 100000000 - doable task.
2 . Art for me - MAGIC . And not only that for which paid big money . Of course , there are artists that make it magic. Pozdeev , Buch, Jukin , Kokurin, Stazharau - MAGIC . Or do you just know that after Rubens no magic never fails to do , and does not even have the right ?
 Most artists MAGIC difficult given a long search and self-improvement. But Basquiat was one of the exceptions.
He can be jealous , but you can rejoice in his works. You can simply not understand .
I like the Richter do not understand , but I do not see there is emptiness. Riddle and UTB well .




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I would like to answer Kitty Obolensky.
And can stop lying and fear?
As it is all very feminine.
<! - ~ 1 ~ -> At the heart must be true.
It's not necessary to learn from Lenin.
And then just do it!
<! - ~ 10 ~ ->



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Старый 16.11.2013, 15:18 Язык оригинала: Русский       #55
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And can stop lying and fear?
What about the widow Clicquot with minikuperom?
<! - ~ ~ 6 ->



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Старый 16.11.2013, 16:50 Язык оригинала: Русский       #56
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What about the widow Clicquot with minikuperom?
Buying a MINI Cooper for Grasshopper Dragonflies - mission and destiny Ant.
<! - ~ 1 ~ -> I think he does not have to lie.




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Outrageous sums are taken because of the modern banking capital to concentrate and remove from circulation 100000000 - doable task .
Are you a little bit do not understand that money is not taken out and invested with the greatest interest. Therefore, the hunt for the most expensive things is a guarantee , as we have known the names hoping to buy ... but no guarantees.



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Старый 16.11.2013, 17:24 Язык оригинала: Русский       #58
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The world is just
I would say - monstrously is fair. Mentioned here the golden ratio . There were two authors of " man in the circle " - Vitruvian Man . Both artists live in the same city, the same name I do not remember , and the second - the great Leonardo da Vinci. The fate of one is tragic - it quartered French. And Leonardo warned of upcoming executions and he escaped. Images Vitruvian men both artists , at first glance , very similar, and it is clear - accurate mathematical calculations <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . But Leonardo's man a little prettier , what-if, maybe , there's something that can not be explained (possibly Magic <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . )
Mystics say that that artist was executed because he was a bad draw, and Leonardo survived because he had to create great works .
In any case, there is a higher justice , though it is not always obvious.

 <! - ~ 1 ~ ->



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name of one I do not remember
Giacomo Andrea da Ferrara.
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you here a little bit not realize that money is not taken out and invested with the greatest interest. Therefore, the hunt for the most expensive things is a guarantee , as we have known the names hoping to buy ... but no guarantees .
Pavel, I'm a collector myself and some friends help make the collection .
And there is a terrible secret - before you invest money into the picture , they should be removed from somewhere . On entom and discussed in my post \\\\ post.

Well , in principle, always ready to listen to \\\\ read anything.

That's the way the question to his friends who do not believe in the progress of art : why not buy one instead of 33 Basquiat painting Shishkin ?



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