Leonardo da Vinci nervously smokes on the sidelines

[Pablo]

Well, why not , in principle, then there is something to accept. Indeed, one of the goals of what the sketch ? Make a sketch , with the definition of tonal relations , to carry on the large canvas in a more relaxed environment. For example in the workshop. BUT: I can not agree with the fact that he had no use for the beginner. These tonal relationships and trains new to see. I would say even catch on the fly , because the air is desirable to write for 15 minutes

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BUT: I can not agree with the fact that he had no use for the beginner .

Сообщение от Pablo; 2796041 "

Well, why not , in principle, then there is something to accept .

With what you then agree ? I understand that a person paints landscapes , but negatively related to the sketches . Without a model ( sketch ) in the landscape will not be emotions, impressions , well, etc. It will be dry mapping objects. But sorry , you must be relevant to the subjects, and where to get it if you're not familiar with it personally?

[Pablo]

Artem, I agree with this lack of pictures ( as a cheap option ) one hundred years ago. For what (I suspect) and written sketches. AS ONE OF THE POINTS .
Now there is a picture , many of the " artists " use it (forgive me for quotes! ) , But for me personally Study - primarily training the eye , vision, color relationships , stuffing his hands in the end . Etude is never the same, if you do not know <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
In the subject should be the form - again, it rests on a plus for the sketch . That's what 's good for the beginner - to determine the shape and color .

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I agree with this lack of pictures ( as a cheap option ) one hundred years ago

Images over 100 years. here on this forum are selling album Lagorio . Photos used at all times. And before she had the Camera Lucida, Samera obscūra and mirror system.

Ingres used the Camera Lucida - a device that is a structure with a prism , which is attached , for example, at the front to the plate . Thus the artist , looking at his picture with one eye sees the real picture, and the other - the actual figure and the hand. It turns an optical illusion , which allows for accurate transfer ratio on real paper. And this is precisely the " pledge " realism .

Russian artists are drawn from photos , just read Makovsky memories and photos with the Impressionists wrote , but what do you think Degas ballerina posing stood for hours bent ? But not in this sense. The photo was of the auxiliary materials , the artist remained still an artist, he did not turn to Kodak . In the 16th century it became possible to make great lenses and mirrors . The artist's work is well paid , so the secrets were kept secret . Today, it is proved that the use of lenses and camera obscura helped great , but sometimes leads to hilarious results , for example, increased the number of left-handers. ))))

[Pablo]

Сообщение от Artem ; 2797721 "

Pictures of more than 100 years.

Yes, I am aware of in the course.
Is photography was a cheap option? A sketch familiar, easier and cheaper.
Degas reminded me about what he did , he wrote "the light reflected from the dancers ' <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
I do not argue Photo become possible in the 16th century (or any other ), but it's not that important . Photo imprint on the plane , which enables easier and easier to transfer the case to the canvas. Study develops a special look (like name , uh ? ) Allows us to consider the surrounding systemically.
Sumnichal , of course . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Is photography was a cheap option? A sketch familiar, easier and cheaper .

You mix . These are different things . Study - is the motive ( at first) , this state of the world and to feel the condition of the artist seen , sketch - a preparatory material , and as the saying goes - cleaning the palette ( color freshness ) , the tasks may be different from the 15- minute, up to a lot of time etude. You can go to the same place over and over again (or write the same kind) for a picture, but you can just - expression . Photography - this help, mostly in the figure.

Degas reminded me that he did , he wrote "the light reflected from the dancers "

This is the lyrics.

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for example has increased the number of left-handers.

Yes, there is a left-handed immediately clear lens through written or not.

[Pablo]

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Etude - is the motive ( at first) , this state of the world and the status of the artist feel deeply seen , sketch - a preparatory material , and as the saying goes - cleaning the palette ( color freshness ) , the problem can be different from the 15- minute, a lot of time to sketch .

That's it! And what I'm saying !

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but sometimes leads to hilarious results , for example, increased the number of left-handers .))))

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Yes, there is a left-handed immediately clear lens through written or not .

A change in the proportions ! <! - ~ 1 ~ -> shoulders , hands, shoes. ( photo below ) Just a few systematically examined such things.
Here's a BBC in a 2- hour parts . Very nice about it.

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Here's a BBC in a 2-hour parts.
Very nice about it.

And then I looked and even read a printout on which more clearly understand everything.