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mihailovoh, it is fine for you ...
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Any adult who remembers the then Soviet life, stories of "acceptance" was buying art is ridiculous.
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And contemporary art, antique and then bought units.

Are only a few!

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Here's an interesting discussion about the Soviet life and times of the then intellectuals (and even interviewed the Orthodox Jew >) - some fragments, all the very interesting and here:

- What happened to buying clothes?

- Our family bought clothes rare, because we were poor.

- You said that you had a father in law, they say, "with the means».
- Yes, his salary was dramatically higher than ours. At the time, he was a PhD. He worked in the Institute gosplanovskom theorist on supply, now it's called logistics, incidentally, was one of the first logistics. In the 1940s and was arrested, but he remained a staunch communist, a Jew-communist. In some ways, he helped us, even though we rarely saw each other.

 Returning to talk about the clothes. Nice shirt was worn to tatters not because of greed, but because it was the deficit. I will not talk about women's underwear, but in men's socks of synthetic elastic, sorry, terribly sweaty feet. The first way to get clothes-fartsovka. That is, if a woman wants a sheepskin coat, buy with it. Let's address, and in early 1980 we bought my wife a sheepskin coat, it seems, for the 350 - very cheap, but it was something terribly heavy. We went off to the house. For $ 450 you can get a Bulgarian, Mongolian, Canadian, painted, and with fur Lama - more than 500. Understand what is 500 rubles. Sheepskin cost four of my monthly salary! Jeans from 50 or even 70 rubles "in front of" rose to 150. If people tell you that bought the 200 - please, fine, but started with a 50 jeans, if you are, of course, entree into the apartment of the black marketeers. From 1972-1973-th - not less than 70. Sheepskin coat and jeans - the things needed, well, a woman still need boots. This uniform had to be extracted, that is, your interests immediately moved into the underground economy. In "Birch" I was the only time in 1981 or 1982, but in very short supply, book, and brought out a whole cart of books.

- Book "Birch" was one?

- Yes, on Kropotkin Street, which is now Prechistenka. It was closer to the Garden Ring to Zubovskaya area. It was always empty, and the approach it was dangerous, because next to nothing - the desert! I went there with Belgian Francoise, my godmother, and the future of Moscow priest. We bought it with the book. Then I was like wood with these packages, fearing pursuit and arrest. You see, I was carrying!? ..

- And what are you paying?

- I - nothing, and Francoise - Belgian francs. The Belgian franc was the dollar, convertible.

Just say: do not blame black marketeers. I did not like the pure speculators, especially books, because for me, with my salary book market was not available. I was reading the man, intellectually interesting, but I have had three or four shelves of books. In a sense, the book were closely related in my world order sausage - quality and that, and the other was not available to me. Sausages with us at the table almost never was, and I did not become a bibliophile.

Perhaps that is why I turned out very good, not fragrant "Cracow" and Finnish sausage, library director. Joke! If sausage generally will not, I'm on it and do not remember. With all the books, of course, more complicated, the basic spiritual food was, of course, and tamizdat samizdat. Well, I had three shelves, then it was six - birthday gifts and so on. I bought the book a few times a year. In the book there was nothing, the market is, I repeat, was black. Someone could buy food in the "Book Shop writer," but I'm not a member of the Writers' Union. I was the only friend of the writer, winner sovpisovskoy crust - the late Vladimir Tikhomirov, the translator of "Beowulf." Here he sometimes buy us something valuable.

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- You have such a colorful working life. What kind of education do you have?

- Pedagogical Institute named after Lenin, then the Film Institute, but it was antiucheba, and the matter is irrelevant. Of Pedagogical I was kicked in the fourth year of academic debts. And in fact, for being my friend and excellent student Misha Gurevich were detained in St. Petersburg, interrogated by the KGB and escorted to Moscow with the police, and in Moscow released at the station. Third us detainee was arrested, put in an insane asylum in Moscow, and we were called to the rector. Well, arrested in Leningrad Military Department for truancy and what? But the day of the military department truancy expelled from the institute, but we were smart Jewish boys. Instead of studying went to a military department, said that we could not have worked on Friday and Tuesday - running around in the snow. They respect those who work out a walking day. Military Department said claims to the cadets and Belenkin Gourevitch has therefore not been rector of the department to have the paper. If they got a call from the KGB, and now called the rector, and they were happy to put him in his place, to show who's boss. I had 148 hours of absenteeism, and Misha Gurevich - Movers and Lenin scholarship. That is, it turned out, had only to drive me. As a result, we got off a reprimand to be entered in a personal matter. And when a year later there was an academic debt in Russian, and my last name surfaced, I was dismissed immediately. Well, then I recovered and finished Correspondence Pedagogical Institute.

- A VGIK on what department you studied?

- The film studies part time. Now the summer holidays I had not for a month, and two, including a summer session at the institute, and in the country I could spend with my family much longer. For study leave there and I went. I was 26 years old when, in January 1980, I went to a children's theater. By this time in the workbook I had was thirty one entry! With this book I have will not want to take. A selection of work in my case was very limited. Nearly three-year work experience in the school, I, for a number of reasons, not deceive. Higher education in the protection, security guard and into the boiler room can only take on protection, on cue from the KGB or other exceptional circumstances. Yes, it was possible to get a job under a different name. For example, my wife signed up for janitors, and can sweep instead, and even receive a salary instead of her, but officially, with employment history, to find a similar work was impossible. I am sure that all the cases of people with higher education in posts, it is not required, - cases of cronyism or any local specific conditions. And in my case at all never wanted to talk because I was the "flyer". This expression - "drifter" - came under Khrushchev, when there was a seamless transition from job to job. No matter how appeared in my workbook thirty-one record, but when you look at them any department head shots snapped Kondrat. It was a vicious circle. And the only thing to which I have - in cinemafication educator working with children and young people. But over the years singed smell that kick me out. I experienced and understood that hard work together with the authorities - not because of my some special qualities, and for objective reasons. I sang Galich, "because the head can not be smart, because it can not be!". And I had to somehow be fixed, because every year I was boss, getting worse - came to expel from previous works cops, alcohol and bitches of the district committees with anti-Semitic flavor. And I joined the Film Institute, became students of the institute. The fact that my studies VGIK called his superiors gnashing teeth, but because of this I did not touch. No more RSIC my life is not useful, but I graduated and became a certified technician.

- And who did you study?

- At Elizabeth Mikhailovna Smirnova, which students of previous "calls" gentle called names, "Lisa baba, baba Lisa kinoanaliza master." On a parallel course taught Kolodyazhnaya. Also master kinoanaliza, but some less acceptable, I suppose. Smirnov left a very good memory for operation below the quartet did not set. Part time had to pass a lot of written work. You should have at least something of themselves squeezed, it is creatively well. And then monthly session, during which I took my friends to watch the Film Institute, "Twilight of the Gods", "Cabaret" ...

- How would you describe life in those times?

- Life was miserable enough, in a simplified way - not interested. The contradiction between the freedom of the internal and external non-freedom, if not prison, when the lack of freedom you are constantly tempted, leads to disastrous results. Some were cooked in their own juice, others were sectarian way of life, others quietly "decayed" - drinking, glupeli, plunged into murderous conformism. My "intellectual life" "flowing" from one tamizdatskoy book to another, from one communication with friends to another. Life outside of the world's cultural context, with very limited admission information you need - it all came to many of my generation, a tragedy of missed opportunities. A completely different life began only in the late 1980s, in the 1990s.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

mihailovoh, it is fine for you ... >
Any adult is a man who remembers the then Soviet life , the stories of "acceptance" was buying art is ridiculous. >

And contemporary art, antique and then bought units.
Are only a few !

You do not know the real state of affairs. In all Soviet postwar times was an active trade or through stores or through souvenir department stores, or through commission shops . By the way , the legal trade, not a criminal one. In the last years of the Soviet power in Moscow had about 200 art galleries and commercial galleries. There were production units artists replicate commercial products.

[Seriy]

Cyril Syzran, you really just do not know . Painting , and out of all, bought all sectors of society under Brezhnev very active, with now does not compare. Paintings purchased at exhibitions, the artists , and the commission shops were rich . I still can not forget the one picture with the ducks in the Flemish style quite museum quality to the commission in the year to October 1980, the commercials , and it does not cost prohibitive. In my show while it was purchased many pictures. Who does not have the money for a picture , bought lithograph reproduction. In addition blossomed chasing, carving , all hang on the wall .
IMHO, for the artists , it was , if not gold , it is even good for the public interest in the painting.

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you really just do not know.

That you are not aware of.
You were not aware then, you know now.
I see that you do not know. Not aware of everything, unfortunately.

Let me remind you that I am their artistic medium, and I know, for example, the museum bought our "painting, and out at all" since 1970, my teacher A. Andreev also worked in the museum and then director Yakovlevna Bass [/URL] traveled the country on purchases, buying and exhibitions, of course, and workshops. And buy the best, because had the taste and, of course, and there was little competition.

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arts, and out of all, bought all sectors of society under Brezhnev very active

Good to disgrace and people knowing laugh - tell tales of life under Brezhnev and pimply peteushnikam can they believe in this nonsense . >
Do you know who, for example, Stozharov bought from private collectors?
Liquors, the then Minister of the Interior. Galkin not a mechanic, not a professor Palkin not violinist Zalkind.
Understand the level?
" all segments of society " ... Rzhunemogu! >
Is a series of " on the corner of Unter den Linden and Friedrichstrasse dug up the asphalt ": aftor write ischo (c).
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Oh, another whacky got:

Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2429201"

In the last years of the Soviet power in Moscow had about 200 art galleries and commercial galleries.

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Well, then that clinic clear ... >

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. In the last years of the Soviet power in Moscow had about 200 art galleries and commercial galleries. There were production units artists replicate commercial products .

You are about to chem.Nachinaya Khrushchev and 60s I remember vse.v well. That was in large cities and Moscow. (About 50x not tell - was small .)
In the last years of the USSR. Takova.chto value of money was nothing hanging or lying - even "consumer goods " ......
Commission shops were of two types , for the information of all. Anything there just was not painting , and for the " wealthy ." But there prices were not real , even for people with s \\\\ n above average.
If the Soviet people would buy on the market zhivopis.to painting would VSE.chto hochesh.Kuda then all go? on the walls net.na market there ?
And the good life hudozhnikov.ploho we lived ( in material terms anyway) . Edinstennoe advantage of the time, social security and confidence in the bright buduschem.no and it is from ignorance how people live in another world.

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mihailovoh, do not enter this inadequacy in the conversation, please.

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Quote:
Posted by Seriy
You really just do not know.
That you are not aware of.
You were not aware then, you know now.
I see that you do not know. Not aware of everything, unfortunately.

Let me remind you that I am their artistic medium, and I know, for example, the museum bought our "painting, and out at all" since 1970, my teacher A. Andreev also worked in the museum and then director Annette Yakovlevna Bass traveled the country purchase, buy and exhibitions, of course, and workshops. And buy the best, because had the taste and, of course, and there was little competition.

Quote:
Posted by Seriy
Painting, and out of all, bought all sectors of society under Brezhnev very active
Good disgrace and people knowing laugh - tell tales of life under Brezhnev and pimply peteushnikam can they believe in this nonsense.
Do you know who, for example, Stozharov bought from private collectors?
Liquors, the then Minister of the Interior. Galkin not a mechanic, not a professor Palkin not violinist Zalkind.
Understand the level?
Stozharov remembered, because our museum bought from the show, one of his masterpieces.

"All sectors of society" ... Rzhunemogu!
This is a series of "on the corner of Unter den Linden and Friedrichstrasse dug asphalt": aftor write ischo (c).
  
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Posted by Seriy
chasing, carving
In-in, you are at that level and then were and still the same - izokruzhok DK factory "Elektolyustra."

Oh, another whacky got:
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Posted by Artoil-A
In the last years of the Soviet power in Moscow had about 200 art galleries and commercial galleries.

Well, then that clinic clear ...

Take it easy! Drink valeryanochki. People talk, and you lash out at all as psinka.

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Speaking of Moscow hudsalonah and commission shops .
I'm in the 79 th and 80 th respectively with fellow Muscovite helped one diplomat gourmet collect antiques and paintings, namely - rasplachivatsya for items they marked selected .
He , for some reason he did not want to do that , and we dangled in Moscow and in lumps and saloons in his inductions just bought there.

It got to the ridiculous: I went and looked at the object and place it directly to the cashier : " stodvadtsat rubles ", and when I check with once went to the seller for the purchase, there was a lady who began to howl - " I'm standing here so I think I decide to buy , and someone my thing at the moment is buying ".
To the seller , I winked, and said to her : " citizeness you this thing for a month ," select " , and then came the real buyer and bought ".

Including , I have seen there the then- range - and " with ducks " and " in the Flemish style ". >

[Seriy]

mihailovoh, a question -where all go? can be set in relation to what you want. Won like Gerhard Richter in Germany , such as the popular , wrote (suspended) 8 works with candles , the entire series was exhibited at the gallery quite like recently , are now fearful millions .. However , write - in a series of three paintings lost te where they and that they do not know ... Lost Van Gog , and you about the Soviet era ...
IMHO, the paintings produced not so much as it seems.